Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3?

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2010/12/08 22:31:35 (permalink)

Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3?

I have a DuoCore 2.2 GHz Win7 32bit 4Gb machine which I believe does not meet minimum requirements for X1.  Will I need to wait until I get some more horsepower?
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/08 22:40:34 (permalink)
    Geno, I am experiencing more scratching and distortions with X1 on recent projects made in 8.5.3. Though the CPU doesn't seem to be hitting anywhere near where it would cause it.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/08 22:47:34 (permalink)
    James - That's interesting and a little strange - I'm used to having issues at a certain CPU threshold, like around 70 or 80%.  It must be using more non-cpu resources (if that make sense).  Does your system meet their min requirements? 
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/08 23:55:31 (permalink)
    This question has been asked and I think the answer from the Cake Bakers was it shouldn't affect the cpu at all, or minimal at best.

    They said they did raise the min requirements to bring them more current.

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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 00:06:13 (permalink)
    No. No more horsepower required. What 8.5.3 could do. X1 can do.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 01:30:16 (permalink)
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    No. No more horsepower required. What 8.5.3 could do. X1 can do.

    That's not my experience.  Projects that ran fine under 8.5.3 (if close to the edge) are clicking and popping under X1.  Also, the CPU meters in X1 are reflecting low or moderate CPU usage while the CPU meters in the task manager are maxed out on these projects.
     
    My system is a few years old, so it was a good excuse for me to upgrade my system. I ordered a new I7 mobo today.
     
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 01:30:22 (permalink)
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    No. No more horsepower required. What 8.5.3 could do. X1 can do.

    That's not my experience.  Projects that ran fine under 8.5.3 (if close to the edge) are clicking and popping under X1.  Also, the CPU meters in X1 are reflecting low or moderate CPU usage while the CPU meters in the task manager are maxed out on these projects.
     
    My system is a few years old, so it was a good excuse for me to upgrade my system. I ordered a new I7 mobo today.
     
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 03:10:02 (permalink)
    No. No more horsepower required. What 8.5.3 could do. X1 can do.

     
    That's what I'm seeing. X1 doesn't show you a CPU percentage (at least, not by default), just histograms. But DAW Bench test project performs identically with X1 on my Q9550 at various latencies, and other CPU-heavy projects also run as well as ever.
     
     
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 06:54:53 (permalink)
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    James - That's interesting and a little strange - I'm used to having issues at a certain CPU threshold, like around 70 or 80%.  It must be using more non-cpu resources (if that make sense).  Does your system meet their min requirements? 

    It is a quad core box I just got this Spring, so it is actually way above what they minimally require.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 10:09:27 (permalink)
    Just to offer a dissenting view, X1 will basically not run at all on my Core 2 Duo E4500 2.2 ghz 4 gb WinXP box, where 8.5.3 runs without any trouble at all.  X1 will start, but as soon as you try to open any project the CPU usage (read with SysInternals' Process Explorer) goes up to 45%-50% and stays there, the project never finishes loading and all kinds of screen abnormalities occur, as if there is not enough memory to function.  (I'm using a 512 mb video card.)  I can't even close the program normally; I have to kill it from Process Explorer.

    So far, my experience with X1 (after two installs) has been completely negative and it won't get any better if I supposedly have to buy a new computer to make it run, particularly as what I've seen of X1 looks like 8.5.3 with spiffy new duds on.  Granted, since I can't get the thing to run, I haven't been able to play with any substantive changes made, so maybe I'd feel differently under different circumstances.

    post edited by MagBass - 2010/12/09 10:11:17
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 10:17:52 (permalink)
    @MagBass ,X1 loads and runs existing projects on my box, Core 2 Duo 2,2  with 4 gig ram, XP Pro SP3 and an Nvidia card....

    and the projects are full of soft synths, K4, the Garritan Arai engine, etc..

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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 10:48:51 (permalink)
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    @MagBass ,X1 loads and runs existing projects on my box, Core 2 Duo 2,2  with 4 gig ram, XP Pro SP3 and an Nvidia card....

    and the projects are full of soft synths, K4, the Garritan Arai engine, etc..


    Then I'm a really unhappy camper.  Been using CW software since version 3, back before Pro Audio, and never had an upgrade simply not work before.  I'm not even sure what to do, really, as there are no error messages or anything.

    I'm sure it'll get worked out; it's just a little frustrating and I don't have the time right now that I normally would to spend on this; I'd hoped I could just sneak some time in playing with the new toy, but right now I should be getting real work done.

    I should say that I did get X1 to work some by setting msconfig not to process any Startup items (prompted by CW tech support), but I can't run my machine like that, so I'm not sure what difference that makes.

    I may try to contact you later, maybe compare notes, since you seem like you have a very, very similar setup to mine, if you don't mind.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 10:59:03 (permalink)
    X1 will start, but as soon as you try to open any project the CPU usage (read with SysInternals' Process Explorer) goes up to 45%-50% and stays there, the project never finishes loading and all kinds of screen abnormalities occur, as if there is not enough memory to function. (I'm using a 512 mb video card.) I can't even close the program normally; I have to kill it from Process Explorer.

     
    This is absolutely not normal, and is not happening because X1 requires more resources than 8.5. Clearly the two are not configured the same. You just need to check all the audio/performance settings, and compare key settings in AUD.INI files. Something's out of whack (to use the technical term).
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 11:06:05 (permalink)
    Could be a plug init soaking up the CPU. Or, more likely, a driver init. Maybe try the old "rename AUD.INI" trick and see if SONAR can reconfig from scratch.

    Can you start SONAR itself OK without any project? If it only happens on old projects, which specific plugs would you be using in those projects?
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 13:01:57 (permalink)
    @brundlefly: I think you're right.  I'm probably going to re-install tonight and not let X1 read any of my old settings and try setting everything up from scratch.

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    brundlefly @keith: Some weird stuff happened when X1 does its VST scan. Plugins that were registered asked for serial numbers; some plugs failed to load and suggested being disabled.  Just a lot of strange things.  I eventually just entered the serial numbers again and disabled the ones that wouldn't load at all.  Not many, maybe five total of a very large number of plugs.

    X1 generally will start with no problem, but it won't load any project; not old ones or the two demo projects CW includes with X1.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 22:32:06 (permalink)
    It would be interesting to see which OS those who have noted worse performance are using.  I'm on Win 7 x64, and I notice that bitbridge is taking up quite a bit of CPU.  Maybe if I had all native 64 bit plugs or if I were using a 32 bit OS my CPU usage would drop significantly.

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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 22:32:08 (permalink)
    It would be interesting to see which OS those who have noted worse performance are using.  I'm on Win 7 x64, and I notice that bitbridge is taking up quite a bit of CPU.  Maybe if I had all native 64 bit plugs or if I were using a 32 bit OS my CPU usage would drop significantly.

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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/09 23:36:24 (permalink)
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    I have a DuoCore 2.2 GHz Win7 32bit 4Gb machine which I believe does not meet minimum requirements for X1.  Will I need to wait until I get some more horsepower?

    That would probably be best. Then again,  you aren't trying to run it in 64bit? (This isn't me insulting you, just asking) X1 (Studio/Producer) can be run as a 32-bit program (ie: Essentials - Only 32bit) Many flks have said though that it is best - n terms of memory - to have 8 gigabtyes; you can get by with six, but eight id the general consensus.


    Having said this, it isn't that the program won't work, it just won't do so efficiently - even if you don't stuff it with lots of plugins. Try cramming seven kids into a compact car. You can do that, but I doubt they will be anywhere close to comfortable - you probably won't either as the driver having to listen to all the complaining!! lol


    In terms of upgrading you do not need a decked-out i7; an i5 (quad cores) will do that fine. To make sure though, I wouldn't compose a piece that consists of alot of stuffing; however, you can plug in that stuffed piece into the new machine to get a feel as to how it run when you start to create others like it


    I did this when I got my new computer. It's a i5; 8G of Ram. The previous computer I had the projects on moved very slow - it being a single core of course! Yet, once I plugged it into this machine, it ran like water - I would imagine that Sonar X1 would do likewise, but with any new app, you'll need to use some kind of barometer
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/10 00:30:52 (permalink)
    I remember reading that audio software do not utilize dual engines and single core should be sufficient. Not that it is relevant, because most people have duo now days. My main music computer is XP and has single 3.6 Pentium processor, and lap top is Vista duo 2.8 Core, and I have seen Sonar crashing on both systems. I also had to reload OS on single processor and that did not improve the performance, so I would say- it is not computer- it is software. I am guessing X1 will work about the same as 8.5, crashing when it pleases. Also, MagBass, there is a good chance you have slow hard drive death of physical memory hardware failure. Hope not, but this is how my started. I had to replace hard drive and reload OS and all software.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/10 00:57:56 (permalink)
    I have a Core Two Duo e6750...266 htz... with 2 gigs of memory and I'm having no problems at all with the 32 bit Essentials version of X1. My OS is Windows 7-32 bit,  I'm  also running Ivory and EWSO Gold, and I'm running good. I also have my sample programs on SSD drives so that may be why it's working so well for me.
    post edited by djwayne - 2010/12/10 00:59:53
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/10 14:46:08 (permalink)

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    That's not my experience. Projects that ran fine under 8.5.3 (if close to the edge) are clicking and popping under X1. Also, the CPU meters in X1 are reflecting low or moderate CPU usage while the CPU meters in the task manager are maxed out on these projects. My system is a few years old, so it was a good excuse for me to upgrade my system. I ordered a new I7 mobo today.


    You do know you're running with half the RAM you should?  According to your listed system specs, you're running a 64 bit OS with only 2GB RAM.  4GB is the minimum addressing space of a 64 bit processor running in 64 bit mode.  If it doesn't see enough physical RAM to meet the need, it uses virtual memory to make up the difference.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/10 14:58:20 (permalink)
    My first tests of X1 on my T7200 laptop were good.
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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/10 15:35:32 (permalink)
    Ouch!

    This will bring the computer to its knees when running any program that will make maximum use of available RAM (such as SONAR X1).

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    Re:Does X1 take more horsepower than 8.5.3? 2010/12/10 15:41:31 (permalink)
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    Ouch!

    This will bring the computer to its knees when running any program that will make maximum use of available RAM (such as SONAR X1).

    Maybe. I just ran a 50 track audio project with a healthy dose of FX plugs and had no glitches.


    FWIW this my laptop and I only mix on it. My studio DAW is well equipped (Q6600/4GB RAM) to handle X1.
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