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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:01:10
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Translation: When Mike is completely working your last nerve, it's actually YOUR fault.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:18:40
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That's garbage Mike and in all sincerity I think (hope) you know it. You've constantly refused to answer direct and equally sincere questions that enquire into your actual meaning, you constantly belittle and demean the sincerity of others, what's worse is that you don't have the humility to see where your actions actually cause harm. Show me the ugly that you are referring to, perhaps we could clear it up. That would require some willingless on your part. I don't think you are able enough to show the level of honest self-appraisal required for that though. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. All this OP displays is some kind of post-event wit revision as per normal. In all sincerity Mike I just feel like I've been shafted by a fraud just now, and given my history with you and thinking you had something likeable about you that others weren't seeing at the time that's been a pretty painful awakening. Bummer.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:27:40
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Hands up anyone who's ever voiced frustration at Mike's "non committal approach to making aesthetic decisions". I don't recall it ever coming up before.
Call me crazy, but this looks awfully like a straw grasping attempt at reframing something else. As does this proliferation of new threads to avoid giving direct answers to things, but also avoid backing down.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:28:35
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I'm racking my brains, and I definitely recall voicing frustration at mike's being a pain in the arse. I'm not sure that's quite the same thing.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:31:57
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John T
Hands up anyone who's ever voiced frustration at Mike's "non committal approach to making aesthetic decisions". I don't recall it ever coming up before.
Call me crazy, but this looks awfully like a straw grasping attempt at reframing something else. As does this proliferation of new threads to avoid giving direct answers to things, but also avoid backing down.
It has been my observation that he likes to keep a subject vague in order that he has 'wiggle-room' to change to topic to suit the developing mood along the way as a means of self-protection against having displayed any clear intent at the outset. Nothing to do with making aesthetic desicions however, unless making a forum thread can be classed as such. That's what he's pitching at here. Me!
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:35:53
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Since the thread invites navel gazing introspection about how to make the Internet a better place, I'll throw this in: I think if certain people were less obsessed with placing themselves at the top of some pecking order that exists solely in their own minds, about which nobody else cares, things would generally unfold in a more friendly manner.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:36:16
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For my part, Mike, I asked a sincere question and was honestly looking for an answer to it.
I said, and stand by my statement, that I do not want to believe that you are the type of person which I was told you were. I still don't want to believe that. I do like you Mike, honestly!
But I honestly don't know when you're being smug, snarky and superior and when you are actually honestly asking a question. without that knowledge I have no way to respond to you except to assume that you are always being snarky.
Surely you have to admit that you have been deserving of the snark award with a lot of your posts? You have posted several argumentative and have been condescending to other members based on what you feel is correct verses what they say is correct.
if you can't admit that then there's no need for you to answer the question as I have the answer already.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 08:37:02
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John T
Since the thread invites navel gazing introspection about how to make the Internet a better place, I'll throw this in: I think if certain people were less obsessed with placing themselves at the top of some pecking order that exists solely in their own minds, about which nobody else cares, things would generally unfold in a more friendly manner.
Agreed. The OP has been blocked.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:07:43
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Jonbouy
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Hands up anyone who's ever voiced frustration at Mike's "non committal approach to making aesthetic decisions". I don't recall it ever coming up before.
Call me crazy, but this looks awfully like a straw grasping attempt at reframing something else. As does this proliferation of new threads to avoid giving direct answers to things, but also avoid backing down.
It has been my observation that he likes to keep a subject vague in order that he has 'wiggle-room' to change to topic to suit the developing mood along the way as a means of self-protection against having displayed any clear intent at the outset.
I'm not going to open the can of worms by going into detail but that's exactly what happened when I queried some of the incorrect statements made about the differences between X1 & previous versions. I disputed the 'facts', posted some screenshots & a video (that's how they started) to show that he was mistaken, at which point I was cheating, lying, and doctoring screenshots. Not long after I was called a troll amongst other things....... which makes this Recently, Some of you have taught me how ugly people can be.
Hilarious. I try and stay away from post like this now but can't let that one go without comment.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:18:13
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I remember those threads..and there were a few of them like that.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:18:30
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Well... I think if you approach other people with the full expectation of their deference (which is what Mike seems to me to do), then even the slightest hint of disagreement will seem an affront to you.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:25:41
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:31:17
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I'm getting that thing when the ineffectual teacher is trying to tell you off and you can't stop giggling.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:35:01
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John T
I'm getting that thing when the ineffectual teacher is trying to tell you off and you can't stop giggling.
That is about the right size of the whole thing IMO
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:38:10
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I'm so ashamed of myself.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:39:33
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I woke up boiling with anger about a non-committal approach to aesthetic decisions, and now I'm ashamed. It's been an emotional roller-coaster of a day.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:48:58
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John T
I woke up boiling with anger about a non-committal approach to aesthetic decisions, and now I'm ashamed. It's been an emotional roller-coaster of a day.
You think that's bad? I'm ugly... 
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:49:06
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I'm not sure what I just read here...I feel like I went into a worm hole of some kind. I had to read the title several times and I'm still not sure I get it.
I think I'll be content for now with not getting it.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 09:56:32
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I am not really interested at all in bashing Mike and honestly I don't approve of the "eye for an eye" type of retribution.
Our community would be a better one if we just let things go and not continue to pound on issues and/or people.
I would like to obtain my respect back for Mike, but if that doesn't happen, it's not going to help him or me or anyone by bashing him for his previous acts even if he isn't willing to repent. no good can come from bashing him here or anywhere else.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 10:03:06
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I am not really interested at all in bashing Mike and honestly I don't approve of the "eye for an eye" type of retribution. Nor me. I'm not prepared to stand by when somebody levels slander at me though, without me defending against it. There's a consequence to everything we do that includes you, me Mike and everyone. Sorry, but that's how it is. I'm quite happy having now blocked the joker, he's lost any shred of credibility he ever had as far as I'm concerned. No biggie. Movin' on.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 10:15:11
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Can I point out that what's being called "bashing Mike" here is actually just people replying to the half a dozen or so threads Mike's posted in quick succession with trolling propositions and opening posts? Strikes me it's fairly obvious who needs to be told to "stop". It's not like it's going on anywhere else.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 10:19:06
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I am not really interested at all in bashing Mike and honestly I don't approve of the "eye for an eye" type of retribution.
Although it may not seem like it, neither do I. Then again I don't subscribe to the "Do as I say not as I do" philosophy either. That sometimes needs pointing out.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 10:20:04
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I don't subscribe to "eye for an eye" either. If you pluck out my eye, I will kill your family.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 10:22:05
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I'm not specifically stating that you need to "stop", John. I am only speaking for myself but doing it publickly so that others may agree (or not) with my philosophy.
I understand where it's coming from. and I also know that if I am personally attacked, I will also defend myself. (and have done so many times!)
I just think it's not conducive to community health to continue and actually I'd extend that back to Mike as well. I'd rather we all just drop it. but again, that's just my opinion.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 10:26:00
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There is hope. Pete Townshend saw it in himself and was able to grow from there. It can be done, I sincerely hope it does in this case. Just wanna be misunderstood
Wanna be feared in my neighborhood
Just wanna be a moody man
Say things that nobody can understand
I wanna be obscure and oblique
Inscrutable and vague
So hard to pin down
I wanna leave open mouths when I speak
Want people to cry when I put them down
I wanna be either old or young
Don't like where I've ended up or where I begun
I always feel I must get things in the can
I just can't handle it the way I am
Why am I so straight and simple
People see through me like I'm made of glass
Why can't I deepen with graying temples
Am I growing out of my class
I always feel I should be somewhere else
I feel impatient like a girl on the shelf
They say that I should live sera sera
But I am such an ordinary star Much love!
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 12:15:34
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 Do you have to have these discussions when I'm at work? How am I supposed to catch up? Having had a quick scan though...seems like there's been some reaping of what's been sown.
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 12:34:46
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I just want to nominate this thread as having the best thread title of the week. 
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 13:37:30
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On an interesting side note: In the strictest sense, "An Eye For an Eye" is the basis of most western civil legal systems. Most people assume that "AEFAE" is meant literally, but in actuality it means some sort of monetary compensation for a wrong. I got no problems with Mike, or anybody else, paying me for any perceived wrong (so long as I get to set the scale). 
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Re:It's a mistake to misinterpret a reluctance to bicker with insincerity
2012/05/22 13:43:11
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That form of AEFAE seems a bit more civilized than the typical bar room brawl sitchemacation......
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