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2013/05/30 21:07:41 (permalink)

Thoughts on the shure sm7




Curently my main vocal mic is a blue baby bottle. 


Thinking of buying an sm7 as a second vocal mic. Yes I have enough clean gain in my pre amps to push the 60dbs it needs. 


Why are your thoughts on this mic. 


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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/30 21:25:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Well Michael Jackson used it on his Thriller EP for his vocals. Yea, He used a $500 mic. This proves you do not need expensive gear for great sounding vocals. Just a good room and good recording techniques.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/30 21:40:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I've heard and read many good things about the Sm7 but have no personal experience with it. My Wife bought me a SM27 for Christmas and it's the shiznit for me.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/30 21:42:12 (permalink)
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Well Michael Jackson used it on his Thriller EP for his vocals. Yea, He used a $500 mic. This proves you do not need expensive gear for great sounding vocals. Just a good room and good recording techniques.

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One of the things I am seeing on youtube and random google searches is that you have to be on top of this mic when recording. That it doesn't pick up much of the room. In my case that's a good thing being that the room I record vox in is a walk in closet. Although, I must admit. There really is no reflection with all the cloths hanging up. Hahaha

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/30 21:45:56 (permalink)
Did you mean SM57? The SM57 is typically used to record horns, but can be used for vocals. The Shure SM58 is the standard stage vocal mic used just about everywhere. They do require a preamp so you should make sure your soundcard or mixer has preamps available. 

When recording in the studio, most studios use condenser microphones and there is a huge variety of those available from $60 to thousands of dollars. Condenser mics usually require phantom power so before you buy one, make sure you have a preamp that can supply phantom power to it. 

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/30 21:46:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Mooch I use a Beta 57A since we moved to the Philippines because the room is really bad. It rejects the room sound and only gets what its pointing at.... not the cow, rooster or goat outside my window that decides to sing along. LOL

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/30 21:55:59 (permalink)



No I mean an sm7. I have a couple of sm57 all ready in my locker. 


Shure sm7b specifically is the one I am talking about. 

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/30 23:25:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I love my Shure SM7B! 

I use it mainly for more strident vocals, when a condenser mic is just too harsh.

It does take a lot of gain, but that's typical of any dynamic mic when compared to a condenser.



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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 00:00:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
It is good for getting that big radio voice - but you have to eat it.  Proximity effect and little room.  Despite Mr. Jackson, I think of it as a rock n roll mic.  I like the re20 better on kick and bass but that is just personal.

It should do you right.  It is a classic for a reason.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 00:31:42 (permalink)
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I love my Shure SM7B! 

I use it mainly for more strident vocals, when a condenser mic is just too harsh.

It does take a lot of gain, but that's typical of any dynamic mic when compared to a condenser.

Yeah ... It seems it does need a lot of gain. I hear everyone talk about that. On my 57 it needs a lot. The specs on the 57 is -56db .....specs on the s7 are -59db. It's only a -3DB difference  :)   I run a 57 fine. 


I think I'll be ok. I may purchase the cloud lifter which adds +25db gain. Just to make sure the gain is clean. It can get dirty the harder you push any pre amp. A least on my tascam 1641 pre amps and my little art mp amp. 


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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 07:11:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I've got an SM7B and tho' I've only had limited use of it thus far, it performed really well. I use a Cloudlifter to boost the gain into my Allen and Heath Zed 16R and that's all it took (phantom power required for the Cloudlifter)!
Once you become aware of this mic, you notice it all the time on Youtube videos.
Chris Robinson (Black Crowes) uses one all the time in the studio. Look for Youtube vids of the Cabin Fever sessions and you'll see him singing (and blowing harp) into one.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 07:30:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Used them for years, mostly in broadcasting, but also for music and vocals. To me it's a very warm sounding mic in the mids, you won't get the same type of high- end crispness that you might get with a U-87, but if you're not looking for that type of sound, who cares. Overall it's a great mic for the price, but be careful as you would with any piece of hardware, it's very sensitive to plosives so get a good pop filter.
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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 07:31:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpful

The best way to hear a moving coil dynamic mic is to hook it up to an old Ampex radio booth preamp.

Preferably one with just the right octal socket input transformer selected and installed.

Mics like the Re20 and SM7 come alive and sparkle when they see something they like that at the other end.

You kind of have to hear it to believe it.




Sticking a bunch of IC based, servo balanced, stuff in between a moving coil mic and the speakers may get you a clean sound but it's never going to sparkle.

I've never owned a SM7 because I like the RE20s, so that's what I have. We work with SM7s just about every where. I think that's because they are a bit cheaper than the RE20.

I don't think you can go wrong with either... but you should know that the magic doesn't happen until you hook them up to a preamp that makes them come alive. It doesn't have as much to do with "gain" as it does with having a wonderful impedance *relationship* with the preamp input... that's when the lowly moving coil dynamic mic opens up and breathes with a silky, sparkly, and detailed character.

The SM7 is a relatively new mic but it was designed to excell in radio booths that had been designed to excell with dynamic mics. The RE20 is a decade older and is the benchmark that the early solid state, all discrete, class A, transformer coupled, Ampex preamps were tweaked for. The SM7 was designed to integrate into that habitat and excell.

Plugging either into a contemporary servo balanced chipset diminishes their capability but buying one and worrying about the preamp later is a good start.


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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 08:12:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I feed my SM7B with a JoeMeek ThreeQ preamp, with good results. I dont think that the gain needed should be exaggerated, but without a doubt you could get a better "sound quality" with a high end preamp. A condenser just not worked for me in my recording environment. 
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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 08:45:03 (permalink)
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The best way to hear a moving coil dynamic mic is to hook it up to an old Ampex radio booth preamp.

Preferably one with just the right octal socket input transformer selected and installed.

Mics like the Re20 and SM7 come alive and sparkle when they see something they like that at the other end.

You kind of have to hear it to believe it.




Sticking a bunch of IC based, servo balanced, stuff in between a moving coil mic and the speakers may get you a clean sound but it's never going to sparkle.

I've never owned a SM7 because I like the RE20s, so that's what I have. We work with SM7s just about every where. I think that's because they are a bit cheaper than the RE20.

I don't think you can go wrong with either... but you should know that the magic doesn't happen until you hook them up to a preamp that makes them come alive. It doesn't have as much to do with "gain" as it does with having a wonderful impedance *relationship* with the preamp input... that's when the lowly moving coil dynamic mic opens up and breathes with a silky, sparkly, and detailed character.

The SM7 is a relatively new mic but it was designed to excell in radio booths that had been designed to excell with dynamic mics. The RE20 is a decade older and is the benchmark that the early solid state, all discrete, class A, transformer coupled, Ampex preamps were tweaked for. The SM7 was designed to integrate into that habitat and excell.

Plugging either into a contemporary servo balanced chipset diminishes their capability but buying one and worrying about the preamp later is a good start.


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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 09:14:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I have two SM7b's.  I use them for vocals when the singer/songwriter wants to sing and play acoustic guitar at the same time.  I angle the SM7 upward and have the singer sing over the top of the mic and I get very little guitar in the vocal track.

I am using the Grace m101 pre amp and get a very clean sound.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 09:37:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I've seen it mentioned often as a must have for serious studios. Not as sensitive as a condenser but better sounding than the average dynamic mic. Good for the male voice especially when recording more powerful stuff. Less plosions, less room noise, less bleed, etc... I think I've seen it used on drums and guitar cabs too. If you have the cash it seems like it would be worthwhile. I'd certainly like to own one. Cheers.
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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 11:26:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
If I were you Mooch, I'd see how it works at Magic Mountain before I buy one.

But that's just me pretending to be you.
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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 11:39:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
In terms of sound, how does the SM7 compare to the RE20?  I ask because I have and use an RE20 and both are known as broadcast mics that also work well on many singers (and other sources).

I haven't been using the RE20 much lately for whatever reason, but I cut a zillion things with it over the years, including vocals and guitar cabs.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 11:39:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I am still undecided on the SM7. I have used it on occasion but it's fairly grainy on the high end. The vocals are always good but not exceptional. In other words it has a certain vibe, I just can't see applying that vibe to everything. So for now, its still in my mic locker but only gets occasional vocal use and more often guitar amp use.


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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 11:56:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I bought one and returned it. I had enough pre-gain, and was loud enough vocally, but you have to have VERY quiet power. Any ground loops or dirty power will certainly show up in this mic. I traded it for an Avantone cv-12, which I love very much. 

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 13:40:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
The SM7B for me succeeds where others fail. On a strident voice it excels over a quality condenser mics. I run it through a Safesound P1 with stellar results on the right voice. I think the SM7B makes a fine addition to a mic locker. It may work in your situation or it may not depending on who and what you are recording. Just my $.02.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 13:50:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Interesting info Mike.  Thanks for the edumacation.

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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 14:06:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I use my SM7 directly into my Babyface. Gain between 39 and 45 dB. No noise, No problems! At 60 dB it would be clipping constantly with any type of singing. 





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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/05/31 20:01:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I got an SM7b this year and love it. It has a built in optional switches for high pass filter and an EQ bump where vocals need it.
I also like the directionality so I no longer need to hide behind a quilt to record. Lol.

It fits my vocal style well as I'm an old weekend rocker who was used to SM58s.
IMHO my vox tracks are much much better now.


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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/06/01 15:55:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Well Michael Jackson used it on his Thriller EP for his vocals.



The original SM7, that is. Keep in mind that Bruce Swedien once said in an interview (with TapeOp?) that he wouldn't touch the SM7B with a ten-foot pole. Yet Shure asshures us that it's just the electical shielding and windscreen that's changed between the versions. 

What can we learn from this? That these auteur types are mostly flakes and you'll be wise not to trust them anymore than you'd trust an amateur online review!


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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/06/01 15:57:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
The best bang for the buck was my 2 ADK's Hamburger and Vienna Sausage ;-)
They are extremely good for vocals.



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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/06/03 00:51:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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I am still undecided on the SM7. I have used it on occasion but it's fairly grainy on the high end. The vocals are always good but not exceptional. In other words it has a certain vibe, I just can't see applying that vibe to everything. So for now, its still in my mic locker but only gets occasional vocal use and more often guitar amp use.

This has been my experience also, Middleman. We have one but I sure don't like it. Grainy on the high end for me too. For vocals, though I feel it is important to let the mic pick the vocalist (like Harry Potter and the wand lol) I prefer the higher end mic's because to me they truly make a difference on the actual SIZE of the vocal sound. This of course can wreck a voice too. I have told this story a billion times...but I don't think you've heard it Paul...
 
I have a really nice Neumann U-87 Gold. It really is a fantastic mic that sounds good on everyone who uses it. However, it sounds terrible on me unless I sing in the key of G. Why this is...I have no idea....I just hate the timbre of it on my particular voice. Now this may have changed since I've not had a cig in nearly 3 months...but in the past, it's made me laugh every time.
 
I got a pretty nice mic locker here. My favorite mic for myself (don't laugh) is an old Equitek CAD E-200. It's great for vocals and acoustic guitars, percussion, etc. I bought it 100 years ago for like $500 and it sounds as great today as it did back then. Still looks brand new too! :)
 
Though I'm not a very good singer in my opinion, I have received numerous compliments on the vocals I have printed while using that mic for myself and other people. You could probably find one on Ebay for peanuts.....I'd definitely take it over a SM7...but that's me based on my voice as well as those I have recorded that sounded good using that mic. That said, it's not a high end mic...but to me, it sure sounds like one and would be around the range you'd pay for the SM7 if you found one brand new and probably about $200 used.
 
In short, I'm no SM7 fan but I HAVE used it on a few people to where they just sounded good using that mic over others we tried. Good luck Paul. :)
 
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Re:Thoughts on the shure sm7 2013/06/03 07:24:54 (permalink)


I'd like to point out that it's fairly impossible for a moving coil dynamic mic to have a grainy top end.

When you hear that grain you are listening to the character of the preamp.




Hence the recommendation that one seek out and use a preamp that really likes moving coil dynamic mics if you wish to hear the full benefit of using a moving coil dynamic mic.

The transformer coupling is the key... and it has to be the right transformer... just looking at the impedance spec isn't enough. 

The transformer has to actually have have an impedance curve, (a.k.a. frequency response) that encourages the mic to sound open, silky, and smooth.

It's the exact opposite characteristic than you will find in a modern IC based, servo coupled, "flat" frequency response design and it's not quite what you find in today's premium transformer coupled boutique gear either.

The transformers I am speaking of were tailored to the mics by ear rather than an idealized broad flat frequency response.

You would get the transformer in a metal can with octal plugs and you'd plug it in to the back of the Ampex preamp... if you had 6 transformers you could try them all and use the one that really sounded the best for an announcers voice.

Back in the day, they built that gear by the boat load.


best regards,
mike





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