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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/06/26 15:03:10
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
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The S1 is a widener but you have to run a stereo track on it for it to do it.....or at least an imaged track that has a stereo effect. Use the "widening" slider on a mono track...it won't widen and will phase. Then do the same thing on a stereo track or a stereo effected track and you'll really hear it come to life. Try the S-1 Shuffler for even more fun because then you can mess with spacial stuff via frequency. As with all wideners, you don't hear them come to life unless a stereo effect is last in the chain THEN you add your S-1 or whatever. But for mono situations, correct, they aren't much good at widening. Try what I'm saying...you'll hear what I mean. :)
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/06/26 15:14:38
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It certainly is imaging for me and yes very interesting Mike with your tests. I wonder then why they are shifting phase like that. I agree with Danny too. I use the S1 now and then and I tend to use it in a stereo widening capacity. Last in a chain over a very stereo synth or synth bus. eg a wide pad and the S1 takes it further out etc..I am not a fan of it over a very important buss. eg drums etc..It seems to skew things a bit for me. Detail can get lost and some transients too. It is still good to check mono compatibility over a mono speaker too to see how these things collapse down. Turning mono sources into nice wide stereo sounds is a different matter and requires some different types of plugs and some effort usually. Good point Mike though about using it for panning. There is always another use for something like that.
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/06/26 16:14:16
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i happen to think using the S1 as a 'widener' washes out the sound a bit.
it does not sound natural...
which may be exactly what you are shooting for...
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/06/26 17:36:20
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Interesting. mike_mccue
It's remarkable to me that no other company includes that super easy, one button functionality for a easy breezy price.
If you do some more testing to figure out exactly what's going on, I wouldn't be surprised if I couldn't set up a single knob (or button) to control Channel Tools using ProChannel's FX chain. For free. 
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/06/28 14:09:52
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Maybe relational grouping of the channel tools controls would do the trick?
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/06/28 14:17:41
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This makes me think that by using m auto align to resolve phase issues in live recordings that I might be hurting myself. Thoughts?
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/07/02 19:26:07
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The S1 is Wave's attempt on a Blumlein shuffler, which separates the bass frequencies and introduces a polarity shift to "widen" the lower region without affecting the rest of the signal. Though they do not do it via a polarity shift like Blumlein proposed, but rather an MS gain control for the bass. I have attempted both methods manually, and I have to say the Blumlein method is far more pleasing. One problem with the S1 is that is also uses a rather hum-drum EQ to separate the bass and that colors the sound and introduces extra phase to the signal. It could do with a modern update IMHO.
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/07/02 21:14:15
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I have been getting a lot of joy from this free plug in: http://www.kvraudio.com/p..._open_ambience_project It is a free plugin and I have been using it quite a lot on mono acoustic guitar tracks. I have been mixing a project for a singer/songwriter and she is tracking everything at home and sending me the multis to mix. She is making nice acoustic guitar recordings but totally mono. I have been looking for ways to widen these tracks. This is mono to stereo widener for your info. But it seems to work very well and it collapses very well to mono too. There does not seem to be any timing or delay issues with this either. It is subtle effect but also very noticeable if you switch it off sort of thing. I have not tried a whole mix though it and I don't think I would anyway. I am very particular about what I put entire mixes through. We all should be. People are in far too much of a hurry to put an entire mix through something dumb and stupid and in the end the mix goes pear shaped! At first it sounds like it is better but then after careful listening you will find it is worse.
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/07/02 21:55:09
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mike_mccue
S1 Imager seems to delay the signal of one channel so that the other channel may take precedence.
Though I didn't post it before, I did a quick seat of the pants calculation and it looked like the phase change in the pictures from your test might equate to a distance of roughly 8 inches or so. I found that curious as it sort of puts it in interaural delay territory and I wondered if that was a coincidence or not.
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Re: Panning or Imaging?
2013/07/03 17:02:20
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the s1 always sounds like clownphookery to me
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