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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 10:02:44
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/09/14 10:05:41
Bapu: McQ what's a good preset? McQ: A dead preset.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 11:08:39
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/09/14 15:24:10
will touch screens for money
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 11:20:00
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mike_mccue Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets? I think you have a point. The scenario is feasable.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 12:53:38
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I don't think that presets will ever magically suit the exact need(s) for specific sound sculpting. Just as every song is different, every instance of processing is different. Presets, no matter how "precise," will get you close but tweaking will be necessary in every instance. It would be rare if it at all possible that a preset will match perfectly to fix a problem or properly enhance a sound. If it were that easy, then we would all be making great mixes. Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 13:04:33
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Personally, I would probably be more likely to edit presets if I could directly access a plugin's widgets via touch, quickly going from widget to widget or accessing multiple widgets at once. Granted, my only first-hand experience with touch in this realm in the new Mackie mixer that uses a docked i-pad. It took a few minutes, but once I got semi-used to the finger pressure and movement, it was very nice to control the faders and knobs. And I can imagine it would be that much better on a full-sized monitor. It's almost 2014, Mike. Things are moving forward whether you like it or not, for better or worse, richer or poorer, and in sickness or health.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 14:31:06
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mike_mccue Imagine, instead of fumbling up and down to tweak an equalizer setting with a thumb, people can choose something from an incredible and comprehensive list of presets and get exactly what sounds the best for anything they are doing.
wasn't "touch" brought into the game to quickly adjust a knob or fader??? like something that you would do on a real device??? sort of intuitively? If you can't do that with touch and you end up just browsing through presets ... well, then throw out your touch screen. you could use a cheap foot switch for browsing presets and have your hands free for beer & smokes to get "touch" off the ground and make it fly, i think they would first have to reinvent the entire sonar gui. i could see "touch" work with really well designed interfaces e.g. fabfilter pro-q, but that is just a "small" application with a single purpose. sonar got way too many options (which is great!) but only a few you can successfully work with in "touch" mode ... so the mouse will stay with us (especially as all the contro surfaces are also left out in the desert to die slowly but certainly) ...
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 15:28:06
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FreeFlyBertl to get "touch" off the ground and make it fly, i think they would first have to reinvent the entire sonar gui.
I saw Seth Perlstein (remember him?) at the 2013 NAMM show demonstrating a 27ish inch touch screen using X2a. I saw him move faders, adjusting eq etc. No gui changes were required for that.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 15:29:22
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What was funny; I did not see Seth use one preset. Go figure.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 15:49:09
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I think that making it easier to quickly dial in parameters makes presets less alluring, not more.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 15:49:37
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FWIW, I'd think of touch as being an extension/addition to keyboard/mouse (not a replacement). Zooming and scrolling are really intuitive using touch (familiar due to smart phones) Regarding presets, I don't think Touch will have an impact either way. Presets are great for templates... But each scenario is unique Think about AmpSim plugin presets. If someone creates a distorted preset using a Tele with single coils, it likely won't sound "right" when applied to a Les Paul. The starting points are radically different.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 15:51:47
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mike_mccue
bapu What was funny; I did not see Seth use one preset. Go figure.
That is so last year. In the future mindmelds will be known as "mindmelds".
You'd better get a TM on that one McQ (before I do)
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 16:47:36
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bapu
I saw Seth Perlstein (remember him?) at the 2013 NAMM show demonstrating a 27ish inch touch screen using X2a. I saw him move faders, adjusting eq etc. No gui changes were required for that.
I saw the banned symbol thingy beside his name on one of his post. Still can't believe it.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 16:52:35
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/09/14 16:59:15
The way many gui's are designed, I find it's often much easier to just move the knobs and switches than it is to navigate the cumbersome multi-tiered preset dropdowns. But to me the greatest advantage of touch is the fact that touchscreen typing is so cumbersome that it will make trivial complaints not worth the effort involved.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 17:25:29
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touchscreen typing will cause new, and unheard-of, RSIs
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 17:57:14
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I think Mike is talking about preset virtual faders/knobs what have you. Move one knob and instead of raising or lowering the frequency setting of an EQ, it moves that and the curve. Kinda like how some EQ's get a wider or narrower Q when boosting more. Simultaneously moving various parameters according to some preset rules. I don't think it would be more precise, necesssarily, than an EQ preset but shore would be fun. I've always loved joysticks since the college days w/ a Synthi AKS. I've got one of those novation keyboards w/ an XY pad today. And I love using it to "play" Alchemy's performance pads - which is what I'm thinking about. @
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 22:00:04
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If I currently had a control surface I probably would not be nearly as interested as I am in touch. I was very interested int VS-700 some months back but reading the forums I didn't think I could justify that much money on what seemed to be an experiment. As it is without a CS I see the value of touch on 27" display as being very cost effective. Unfortunately, for the time being, I will have to wait for that implementation due to OS upgrade restrictions. However come the new year I plan on moving in the touch direction. I doubt it will have any impact on my use of presets. But I'm hoping to see improvements in my ability to mix multiple faders at once which is something I miss with mouse/keyboard implementations. Regards,
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/14 23:18:12
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wasn't "touch" brought into the game to quickly adjust a knob or fader??? like something that you would do on a real device??? sort of intuitively?
I thought touch was introduced as a compromise to reduce cost and save space.
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Re: Will touch screens enhance an enthusiasm for presets?
2013/09/15 00:19:04
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Seems that a redefinition of preset is being attempted here.
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