Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues

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Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues

Hello good people,
 
 Can anyone out there help me? I'm new to the world of MIDI and even newer to Sonar and EastWest. What I'm trying to do is get sonar x3 to change from 1 channel to another within the EastWest's Play mixing channels. Furthermore, How do I get Sonar to change the articulation without and external keyboard?
 
If anyone has some wisdom on these matters I'd be very grateful.
 
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       Gus
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/08 02:17:12 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/08 07:11:24 (permalink)
    To change the articulation you need to identify which keyboard notes represent the different artics and to program them into the prv, just like a regular note.
     
    All artic notes are designed so they don't overlap the playing range of the instrument in question, so you'll find the artics for basses at the top of the scale, whilst for piccolo's you'll find them at the bottom.
     
    I have all of my artics routed via their own dedicated drum map. This makes it easy to identify & edit notes entirely separately from articulations

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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/08 11:48:15 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 02:25:29 (permalink)
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    To change the articulation you need to identify which keyboard notes represent the different artics and to program them into the prv, just like a regular note.
     
    All artic notes are designed so they don't overlap the playing range of the instrument in question, so you'll find the artics for basses at the top of the scale, whilst for piccolo's you'll find them at the bottom.
     
    I have all of my artics routed via their own dedicated drum map. This makes it easy to identify & edit notes entirely separately from articulations




    Hi thanks,
     I've tried that. And these notes are being ignored.
    What am I doing wrong?
    Gus

     
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 08:12:37 (permalink)
    Are you sure you are adding notes to the correct "note" in the PRV? Many soft-synth docs reference notes starting at C1, while Sonar starts at C0 (I think, I'm not at my DAW, so it may be the other way around). You can usually test articulations in the instrument's interface. They are usually shown as different colored keys in the onscreen keyboard in the VST itself. Click the articulation, then the next note you play will be using that articulation. Some are single note articulations while others are permanent until another articulation is selected.
     
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 08:14:59 (permalink)
    Do you have a controller keyboard hooked up?
     
    If so, are the keys being visibly triggered when you press the relevant key?
     
    Are you actually loading a keyswitched instrument into Play? Not all of the instruments support KS.
     
    What version of Play are you on?
     
     

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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 16:47:10 (permalink)
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    Furthermore, How do I get Sonar to change the articulation without and external keyboard?



    Gus,
     
    If you've already recorded some MIDI data and want to change articulations within the track, then adding 'control' notes in the PRV is one way to go, as described above.
     
    However, you might try the method described here instead (the relevant part of the post starts at #14):
      http://forum.cakewalk.com...1.aspx?high=orchestral
     
    For real-time composing/recording, I use the method described here (make sure to check out the two excellent YouTube videos):
     [link=http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/showthread.php?p=734579]http://www.soundsonline-f...howthread.php?p=734579[/link]
     
    Hope this helps,
     --Anthony
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 16:59:36 (permalink)
    BTW, you should post X3-related issues in the "SONAR X Series" forum -- this one is for Sonar versions prior to X1.
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 17:25:03 (permalink)
    dcumpian
    Are you sure you are adding notes to the correct "note" in the PRV? Many soft-synth docs reference notes starting at C1, while Sonar starts at C0 (I think, I'm not at my DAW, so it may be the other way around). You can usually test articulations in the instrument's interface. They are usually shown as different colored keys in the onscreen keyboard in the VST itself. Click the articulation, then the next note you play will be using that articulation. Some are single note articulations while others are permanent until another articulation is selected.
     
    Regards,
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    Hello again Dan,
    Yeah the control notes are from C0 and are a different colour, if I click them with the cursor I can change the articulation.

     
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 17:29:59 (permalink)
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    Do you have a controller keyboard hooked up?
     
    If so, are the keys being visibly triggered when you press the relevant key?
     
    Are you actually loading a keyswitched instrument into Play? Not all of the instruments support KS.
     
    What version of Play are you on?



    I don't have a keyboard. I can click notes on the play keyboard using the mouse, and doing so I hear the notes and can change the articulation type.
    Yes I do have a keyswitch instrument loaded.
    And I using the latest version of Play.

     
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 17:38:42 (permalink)
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    Furthermore, How do I get Sonar to change the articulation without and external keyboard?



    Gus,
     
    If you've already recorded some MIDI data and want to change articulations within the track, then adding 'control' notes in the PRV is one way to go, as described above.
     
    However, you might try the method described here instead (the relevant part of the post starts at #14):
      http://forum.cakewalk.com...1.aspx?high=orchestral
     
    For real-time composing/recording, I use the method described here (make sure to check out the two excellent YouTube videos):
     [link=http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/showthread.php?p=734579]http://www.soundsonline-f...howthread.php?p=734579[/link]
     
    Hope this helps,
     --Anthony


    Yup, I am viewing the MIDI data on a piano roll. Do I need to change the velocity at the bottom to something else or is it supposed to work just by inputting C0 for an example? Cuz if that's the case its not doing anything.

    Cheers I check out your links soon as.

     
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/09 18:09:06 (permalink)
    Set all controller velocities to 100
    Make sure your KS notes are accessing the same Midi channel as your regular notes
     
    Can you hear the artics being switched if you click on a keyboard key on the Play interface?
    Have you loaded a switchable instrument into Play? Not all of them are. I asked this in post #7

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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/10 04:34:59 (permalink)
    Hi guys,
    Thanks for your help. I've got it working.
     


     
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/10 18:23:51 (permalink)
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    Hi guys,
    Thanks for your help. I've got it working.
     



    What was the problem?
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    Re: Sonar x3 and EastWest Issues 2014/05/12 15:49:11 (permalink)
    Erm, other than me.

    The keynotes on plays keyboard where marked at C0 to F#0, however I discovered that they worked at C2. Probably would have found it sooner if I had a piano keyboard plugged in.
    However I think I'll go down the route of dding all the required articulations on different play channels and assigning the notes to the correct MIDI channel. Seems the best way for when I need to print the score.
    Thanks for all the input and help.

     
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