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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/14 08:30:22
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Do you have a link to the petition?
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/15 07:58:42
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SongCraft The United States is the only democratic country in the world where artists don’t get paid for AM/FM radio airplay.
Am I safe to assume that like here in Canada, Radio Stations traditionally pay ASCAP and BMI (maybe others) for the songwriters and the publishing... and that this act is to include "performers" in the right to be paid? Or is this bill just looking to have the "artists" (eg: Katie Perry, but not the studio players that actually made the music) get paid? In Canada SOCAN is our version of ASCAP & BMI. A few years back a new organization labelled MROC (Musician Rights of Canada) emerged that accounts for the musicians on recordings. A musician registers with MROC, then submits their repertoire of recordings they have played on. After that, you sit back and hope a check (cheque in Canada) comes  . Is this comparable to what the "Fair Pay" act is trying to accomplish?
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2015/04/15 08:20:19
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The petition is still open for all those that want to make this happen.
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Hi, This is good. The only problem is that the AM/FM bands, specially in America are now "owned" by the same company that also delivers the music and supports the artists, and this means that a whole lot of bands will STILL not be heard, and the supposed money will add a hundred dollar check for Christmas, with a middle finger in the front! When FM started getting bought out in the mid 70's it killed the majority of the freedom on radio in America ... and it is now strictly a kiss-ash venture to make sure the money stays home. I think that petition would be stronger if both bands had more freedom of choice instead of just hocus-pocus words, and honestly? ... I want them to die, and a different rule will have to be added later to the Internet ... because now we have 3 rules ... TV, Radio and Internet ... and they need to be combined ... but they want because of the corporate ownership of these ... specially when many of the same companies own the same conglomerates of the media!
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/15 09:50:41
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SongCraft Thanks to all the people who had the commonsense and decency to support 'Fair-Pay'. Just recently I got mentioned by the founder who organized this campaign - Awesome! 
Did you get paid for the mention? Just wondering..
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/15 17:19:27
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You do realize that introducing a draft bill into committee is a long way from enacting a law? With luck, this may eventually come to pass, but do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
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I know you worked hard on this so please know the congrats was sincere
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/16 08:39:21
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SongCraft From Michael Huppe: “For decades, music services have gotten away with building their business on the backs of hardworking musicians, paying unfair rates -- and in the case of the $17.5-billion radio industry, paying nothing at all -- for the music they use,” said Michael Huppe, president and CEO of SoundExchange, an independent nonprofit performance rights organization that collects and distributes digital performance royalties.
The highlighted line above is the one I need to question... I am in Canada, but I am 99.9% certain US radio does pay ASCAP and BMI for the music they play. Sure - that money goes to writers and publishers (not artists and musicians) but to say they don't pay anything just doesn't seem like a fair statement. Don't get me wrong... if I lived in the US I would sign the petition - it's a good thing for artists and musicians. I'm just questioning some of the comments such as the one above...
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SongCraft Hi Codamedia. Good questions. Yes, Performers will be paid. Further explanation.... Since confirming without doubt that writers/performers incomes have dropped dramatically -- There will indeed be a number of changes. Reports from various sources say.... Sure they will get paid ... Paul Mc gets his 13 million, the Michael Jackson estate gets their 10 million, the Bruce Springsteen group gets his 10 million ... and you will get a check for a dollar and 20 cents! (Example below!) AND this is why, they are considered "stars" and you are compared to them! You are nothing! You do not have a chance! Specially when you are just starting out! Of course, if you have to wait a year, have a wife and a kid, hoping to get a check and it shows up as a buck 20 ... go ahead ... but by that time, you will probably lose everything you have and quit music ... you can live better washing dishes at Mcdonalds! All stations, TV or Radio pay BMI and ASCAP ... and them saying that some more money would be spent giving away the extra nickels is the greatest joke EVER! These folks are not there for you and your commission. They were created so that the radio/tv stations they owned could make more money ... and it has been like that forever, and even in the 1950's when the 'revolution" in music started hoping to get their own nickels and they were subjugated, and it almost killed a lot of black music in America, and our luck was that folks like Harry Belafonte, Miles Davis, and others managed to stick it out and "make it" ... but they did not get paid for the longest time, because they were not a part of the major conglomerates of distribution and syndication! I only find this insulting and deceptive, and your local AM and FM stations are going to have their fees raised 10% to 12% as an excuse to pay you folks (that deserve it, no doubt!), but will find that these stations will, in the end, refuse to play anything that does not bring them their nickels. This is why TV is so repetitive, so they do not have to share a nickel with anyone else, and just keep it inhouse. This is why Comcast, has 15 other channels, as do other major cable, and dish services ... because bringing an outsider, will hurt them! All in all, this is a major plea for record companies (conglomerates) to stay "alive" and find a way to get a bit more money, and pray on your and mine inability to read the fine print to know what is really going on! ... it's called the vicious corporatization of America ... and the killing of the arts, in favor of the top ten and what is "acceptable" by these companies, and your work is not important or valuable. If all you want to do is just be another slave ... go ahead ... play the same music, with the same instruments with the same effects, with the same DAW, with the same ... anything ... and then expect to get attention! You are one of the millions that want/need a nickel, and you ain't gonna do it via those folks! You have to do it yourself, independently ... because they want your profits! Sorry ... but this is more jargon and BS about nothing and a corporate entity fooling you! Why would anyone give you any money is how many of these rich companies look at it. Your check will get smaller each year until one day, it is just 5 cents! And you heard your song 12 times last week in 2 stations!
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SongCraft Hi Moshkito Your comment is irrational, completely out of context
No, and indeed, way....
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/16 19:54:07
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I have been asked to keep an eye on this thread so please all, lets keep it civil.
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My understanding (as a songwriter) royalties are only paid if the station is in the BMI/ASCAP/SESAC monitoring system.
The songwriter (to my knowledge) gets no royalties if the song is played on a non-monitored station.
So, my question: if this passes legislation and artists do get paid (which I support, of course) am I not right to assume that royalties will be awarded by the same BMI/ASCAP/SESAC monitoring system?
If that's the case, I don't see this as a historic victory for anyone but the big boys.
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/04/17 12:56:23
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But wait, there's even more good news: In addition to radio, Streaming sites such as Spotify and Pandora will have to abide by the Fair Play, Fair Pay Act. They must either adapt or fade away, one obvious way is to not offer 'Free' because that be suicide, another is to profit via advertising and services. What does that mean? That Spotify will be forced to pay a higher rate per stream? I don't think it's even clear that what they're paying now is too low. Of course artists complain about how much they're making from streams, but Spotify and Pandora represent a tiny fraction of the overall music consuming market worldwide. Let's say for the sake of argument it's 5% (I know it's a small amount). Just how much does anyone expect to make from one song per listen from 5% of the market? The trouble is that people are comparing these payments to what artists made from CD's in the past, but this is a completely different business model - it's apples and oranges. Whereas a CD sale represented an immediate royalty payment for an artist, streaming spreads that payment out over whatever length of time the listener remains interested in a song. I have CD's that I've listened to hundreds of times over the years because they're so good. If those plays had been through Spotify instead of CD, are you confident that the streaming payments for all of those listens would have been less than the royalty payment for the CD? I'm sorry to get political but this stinks of heavy handed government interference and it's not going to end well. "They must either adapt or fade away" has a very sinister tone which brings the phrase "comply or die" to mind. Forcing companies to change their prices by government mandate sets a very dangerous precedent indeed. What you have is politicians, most of whom have never run a business in their lives, dictating other people's business decisions. I hate that. Boo!
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SongCraft, you're one of the many good guys here and I for one, wouldn't want you to leave. Your intentions and good will in posting this thread is much more appreciated than you think and you shouldn't let the nay sayers influence you in staying or leaving. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but not every opinion is the right one. We need more 'good guys & gals' in here, and I sincerely hope you decide to come back. Fight the good fight......rumble young man rumble.
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/04/17 13:39:59
SongCraft ... The person who organized this petition is simply a fellow musician, singer-songwriter, music producer, and 'Independent' record label owner. Like I said, be very careful what you say. Seriously, it makes no sense for you to comment in such a manner over what is simply --- 'Musicians supporting Musicians'. There is no corporate drive, there are definitely no lies, no deceptions. If this was true? That would seriously jeopardize this Act, it would give the opposition (e.g. corporates and of course the NAB) with an estimated $17.5-billion radio industry the edge to crush this Act. Moshkito, is this what you want? Seriously, honestly, it makes no sense that you would go against the rights of independent artists and their labels who support this Act. I hope you completely understand this now.
You are mis-interpreting what I am saying. You can not get to work on time driving a Model T today kinda thing! The corporate process is busted, and their excuse is that there is that much money and you and I and Bapu and all the folks here, want a piece of it ... I have absolutely no quarrel with that ... however, it ain't gonna happen, when radio and tv are 'corporitized" and they will find a way to get around you and your ideas. I was "there" during the corporatization of FM radio (I call it the corruption) and how these groups killed all the new and fresh music, and the internet has been a heaven sent kiss to help all the rest of the folks ... but unffortunately, we're all still sitting here trying to figure out how to get a contract or money from one of those biggies ... that time is OVER. You have to own everything, and do everything ... and one of these days, one of you will make it big and help the others ... I doubt it, since there are many examples of people that got famous and did not share a nickel, too! All I'm saying is to set something up that keeps the money at "home" as in a figure eight ... and in this case, I have no guarantees that the idea is correct and not a fumbled football for someone's romantic idealism in a corporate world that owns the stations and the tv's ... and all of these, will never play anything to help you ... to ensure you don't succeed. That leaves the internet ... and prayer! No one, is going to "help" ... and the idea, sometimes for me, is crazy ... you do not think that we had ideas and hopes in the days of Fascist Portugal? That my own dad got to see two of his children have guns pulled to their heads to stop writing "freedom poetry". That several (more like 100) theater and film reviews got censored (it's now published in English btw!!!), to prevent him from writing about the theater and film of freedom? THOSE are issues. As is yours ... but the foundation for yours is a premise that is based on hot air! You will never EVER, be able to tap a nickel out of that radio/tv money! PERIOD! You have to hope that the corporate system dies out and that money dries up and drops ... so something else has a chance, and you have a better chance ... but at that point you will have the Christian Puddings, fighting the Christian Eclairs, fighting the Protestant napoleons ... and nothing will get done ... except watching blood spill! This is not about "careful" ... if you or anyone thinks I am not supporting them or standing by them ... they are not reading the "fine print" ... and guess what's going to kill this? You would be removing people that support you! Best of luck ... I'm done discussing this, because folks are not reading, or asking what it is that I am really saying! If you don't want a different point of view, fine ... just say so, but don't expect others that you did not realize are also there, to come and support you later! Now think carefully before you answer that one!
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/04/17 13:39:42
Ha come on SongCraft, let's not get into the whole "these forums ain't what they used to be" thing, I have nothing against you personally, I just disagree with you strongly on this issue. Hey that's life! I have raging disagreements with some of my best friends but we somehow manage to stay friends! You say "The rates for Streaming should be very similar if not equal to what is regarded as 'Airplay' (brick n mortar radio stations)" but then in the next sentence, say "Though I agree with what you said about comparing, 'Its apples and oranges'." If, as you admit, the two are apples and oranges (and they are), then by what reasoning should Spotify streaming rates be in line with radio airplay? I brought up some (what I consider to be) fair points about the streaming fee being paid out over the lifetime of a song and asked you to consider how this compares to a one-off royalty payment from a CD. You didn't address that point. Do you or don't you believe that a good song could earn as much as a CD royalty payment from one listener in its lifetime? If it could, then it makes a mockery of the argument that Spotify stream payments are too low, and thus that whole area of the "Fair Pay" act. I'm not really swayed by any vague or emotive arguments about independent artists "fighting for what is right." I need to be sure that what they're fighting for is fair or is right before I agree with it. And on this issue of Spotify streams, I disagree. You say that streaming services shouldn't offer anything for free. I'm pretty sure they know more about that business model than you. Are you aware that the free Spotify option has ads? That's why they're able to offer it for free. If they weren't getting some kind of return from it then I doubt whether they'd be doing it. When you say "either adapt or fade away," I understand perfectly what you are saying. You're saying that businesses like Spotify should "get with the plan" (i.e. your proposed government legislation) or go out of business. That's every bit as sinister as I said it was. I have no problem with the idea of companies like Spotify adapting to changing market conditions. That's just a natural part of doing business, and is essential if businesses are going to evolve and improve. But being forced to adapt to the heavy hand of government legislation is quite another thing. You have politicians who have no experience in the business demanding that companies abandon their own business plans - which have come about through their own first hand experience and analysis and forecast - on the basis that a group of musicians believe they're not being paid enough. But who doesn't want higher pay? It doesn't exactly clinch the debate. Don't get me wrong, I would love for artists and musicians to be making more money. But I don't see them as being any more special than anyone else in this regard. They are in business, like anyone else who has a product to sell. It's not the fault of Spotify that they aren't making a lot of money. You have the advent of digital formats to thank for that. As soon as it became viable to send music in compressed format over the internet, sales were bound to plummet along with the overall value of music. Companies like Spotify have found a way to monetize music again. It's happening slowly but surely, and like I said, they still only have a tiny fraction of the music buying public on board. Any legislation which fails to take that into account is flawed and dishonest as far as I'm concerned. As the streaming market grows, we could quite possibly see the situation evolve and settle into something that's more palatable for all parties. Clobbering it with heavy handed "comply or die" legislation in its infancy is just plain wrong.
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2015/04/17 12:51:05
Am nit: Mosh, I don't care to make a single penny in the music business. This is my hobby and I don't give a single hoot what people think of what I produce (except those that I privately ask their opinion).
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bapu Am nit: Mosh, I don't care to make a single penny in the music business. This is my hobby and I don't give a single hoot what people think of what I produce (except those that I privately ask their opinion).
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2015/04/17 18:25:22
I think songcraft means well, but seems to have a very strong issue with anyone who questions or dissents with him on this issue. I learned that the hard way. I think even the nicest of people sometimes get bent out of shape when it comes to certain issues regardless of what is actually said. I have worked in media too long to think any of these issues are so black and white that anyone who dissents should be demonized. I just had a somewhat healthy disagreement with a production partner because he wanted me to spend hours of time i don't have placing a particular brand of copy protection on a mediocre video although i demonstrated to him that the copy protection can be broken within minutes by 12 year olds. It ended up being a case where we still disagreed, but if he wanted such things done he can do it himself. I think it is difficult for these kind of conversations to not get political to a degree since we are discussing legislation. I don't think this topic in and of itself is the problem, but the venomous nature of where the responses end up that cause threads like this to get closed.
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/04/17 14:27:09
Personally I am suspicious of the whole thing. The "big boys" will ALWAYS find a way to profit. They always have and always will. I strongly believe in "The Law of Unintended Consequences", it ALWAYS comes in to play... especially when the government tries to fix anything, so I can't in good conscious sign anything. Nadler being involved makes me even more suspicious of it. My first thought was about Spotify, which I think is the future and will in the marketplace, correct itself if regulations don't get in the way because regulations are always put in place by the "rich and powerful". I hope that, if they pass some new law, it does not "accidentally" make things even worse... like most things that government does. J
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There is an argument that says regulations which increase the cost of doing business are actively pursued by corporations because they know the smaller players can't afford to comply with them.
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/17 15:16:27
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sharke There is an argument that says regulations which increase the cost of doing business are actively pursued by corporations because they know the smaller players can't afford to comply with them.
I'm sure that is true. It's all about the money and not the small money. It's always about the big money in everything.
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Re: Fair-Pay For Musicians - Historic Victory :-)
2015/04/17 15:28:19
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SteveStrummerUK
bapu Am nit: Mosh, I don't care to make a single penny in the music business. This is my hobby and I don't give a single hoot what people think of what I produce (except those that I privately ask their opinion).
Well done.
I thought it was kind of raw.
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