1/4" TS vs. 1/4" TRS vs. XLR?

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2012/06/11 18:59:29 (permalink)

1/4" TS vs. 1/4" TRS vs. XLR?

I know this is a very basic question but I've never been able to wrap my head around it in regards to speakers/monitors. When dealing with connecting to monitors what exactly is the difference between using a TS unbalanced vs. a TRS balanced connection? I understand how TRS works when dealing with a stereo signal but I just don't understand why it's preferable for a mono (left or right) connection to my monitors. I'm assuming the same principle applies to the three prong XLR connectors on certain monitors (if not I'm curious about that as well). Anyone have a simple explanation for ole Beepster? Hope you guys are having a great day. Cheers.
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    Re:1/4" TS vs. 1/4" TRS vs. XLR? 2012/06/11 19:31:34 (permalink)
    Even just a link to something in layman's terms would be great. Google is not being kind.
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    Re:1/4" TS vs. 1/4" TRS vs. XLR? 2012/06/11 19:36:31 (permalink)
    When you have two pins only, you need a reference, so one end is grounded.
    That introduces coupling with the power supply.

    With three pins, you can provide the third not only as a ground reference, but also as a shielded braid to help eliminated induced fields in a cable (a Faraday shield - ground plane).

    When they say balanced, it means a differential signal with a separate ground reference - in essence, a current loop.

    The main need is with small signals, like mic and phono inputs, but the general idea is valid for any input.

    Or go optical or digital - no voltage or current coupling at all.

    Hum, power spike noises, etc. - these are the target for elimination.


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    Re:1/4" TS vs. 1/4" TRS vs. XLR? 2012/06/11 20:48:37 (permalink)
    Ok, here goes...  Without being completely technical, TS stands for Tip/Stem which means you have two wires.  This means you're pretty much limited to mono and you'll find that noise will go down the line with your signal.  TRS stands for Tip/Ring/Stem which gives you three wires (and that obviously means it will cost more too).  You can use TRS for either mono (with noise cancellation because your signal is transmitted positively and negatively so that, when checked at the end, the noise - which is only transmitted positively - disappears leaving you with only your nice signal.  You can also use TRS for either stereo or for two mono signals (as is the case when you have a Send/Return - these usually will have a "Y" to mono TS, one for send and one for return).  XLR is also a three-wire configuration, but are more often used for noise-free mono - especially with microphones.  I use XLR and TRS jacks interchangeably and have dozens of cables that have one connector of each on the ends.

    Now, a "balanced" system is great (using only XLR's and TRS's cables), however this means you need to pretty much wire your entire system this way or you lose the advantage of the better cables!  This can get a bit expensive (I know, I decided to go this way with mine).

    What I like to do if possible, is to bring in the best analog signal that I can, do any analog processing first then, once it gets converted into the digital world, I want it to stay there (except for the monitoring or sending signal back to the board of course).  The fewer A/D and D/A conversions you have the better.  To do this, I actually have extra line mixers.  Once takes digital inputs and outputs digital while the others stay in the analog world.

    Needless to say, it's all about starting with the best recordings you can.  Mixing shouldn't be about polishing a turd (or putting lipstick on a pig as they say).

    All of that said...  I just reread your OP and realized that you're concentrating on monitors.  A lot depends on whether you are using powered monitors or passive.  If passive, you'll want cables specifically designed to handle the power coming from an amp.  If your monitors are powered, I've found that you can get by with a TS cables if the run is fairly short (and it should be - monitors are very nearfield).  Of course, if you can afford it, I'd go with TRS here as well!  There are some very good cable manufacturers out there that are NOT named Monster.  We just went through a list of names on a recent thread - I'll see if I can find it.

    One word of warning should you decide on TRS cables, some rack units do not work well with them and their 1/4" jacks might only return one side of a stereo field (for example).  That said, even most of those that have an issue will usually provide an XLR jack which is why you'll find yourself getting cables with an XLR connector on one end and a TRS connector on the other.

     
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    Re:1/4" TS vs. 1/4" TRS vs. XLR? 2012/06/11 20:53:22 (permalink)


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    Re:1/4" TS vs. 1/4" TRS vs. XLR? 2012/06/11 21:14:09 (permalink)
    Right on guys. Trying to parse this out in my mind right now. I have some follow up questions I'll post in a bit or maybe tomorrow (have to get ready for the cardiologist tomorrow). I don't know why I have such a hard time with this simple concept after all these years. It's only three bleedin' wires. Blurgh. Thanks... I'll be back.
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