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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 13:40:25
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The wave of the immediate future is internet micro purchases. Hopefully one can generate millions of tiny pruchases that cause very little effort for the purchaser and that is how you will sell music.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 14:03:30
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Yep, that's the trend, and musicians make more per CD - pretty straightforward - although it helps tremendously if you already have a proven track-record via the old circuit. New names with mega online sales, breaking through out of nowhere are pretty rare, I think.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 15:21:50
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well the "so called" nobodies that are suddenly everywhere.. = normally a major record label behind them 85% - 90% of the time.
being signed to a major isn't so call I guess when ya start off..hehe.. and when u look at the small print for th sold called independent the majority are owned by a major
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 16:13:37
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I feel bad for all the people who will never know the joys of the "new album" experience as I have known it over the last 35 years. All the albums that I love that were created as an "entity", with a certain "flow", where it was never about the tracks, but rather what they added up to. "Long live the album" 
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 17:34:45
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I think...yeah...because of a couple of reasons...
1. lack of talent from the major labels ( some of you might disagree...that's OK)
2. Online music availability.... choose your favorite songs for .99...why buy a CD for $15 to $20 to get one or two songs you like.
3. The economy.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 17:39:55
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17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008 And I just started buying CDs again last year. Story of my life: always out of step with the mainstream.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 17:41:09
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I heard Vinyl was making a come back too.
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Roflcopter
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 17:59:34
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I heard Vinyl was making a come back too. I wonder if that will ever be more than a fad. I do think something got lost in the album cover, LP covers are part of the appeal *much* more so than any CD. I think the future for DL music could well turn out to be part of a multimedia offering - at least I am sortof betting on it - like booklet with artwork/content + accompanying DVD + soundtrack. Videoclips, plus a lot of other stuff you find on movie DVD's like bloopers, interviews, studio peeks. Then again, it's anybodies guess where it goes from here. The future could well be games and games only. If your new track does not have some sort of 'game deal', like we used to think about 'movie deals', forget it.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 18:00:13
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Great point. I miss that as well. Maybe we as purchasers of albums in the 60's 70' 80's will somehow revive the art before we all pass on and reproduce actual albums again.. I miss the great art work too. That was half the fun of buying a new album... peel the plastic wrap off and see what artwork pics and lyrics were inside. A big portion of that will go away with internet purchases.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 18:21:54
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 19:34:13
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A local movie/music store (part of a semi-national chain I think) now sells LP's and have about 200 different albums in stock. Almost everything is great albums from 1985-2000 and I have about 60% of what they're offering on CD so it's not like they're offering junk. They've got a bunch hard rock/heavy metal albums from Metallica, Megadeth, Tool, Ozzy that I'd really love to hear on vinyl, but at $22-$26 a piece that's not gonna happen... The funny thing I saw was that in some cases they sold a "regular version" LP and a special "audiophile version" LP for like $10 more. I thought all LP's where audiophile quality 
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 20:27:03
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The funny thing I saw was that in some cases they sold a "regular version" LP and a special "audiophile version" LP for like $10 more. I thought all LP's where audiophile quality
Audiophile vinyl is typically thicker, heavier plastic, what they call 180g or 200g, which makes for a flatter record, less vibration, and more stable groove walls, all of which contribute significantly to better transfer to the stylus thus better sound.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 20:38:32
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Today the BBC had a report that there were only about 300 independent music stores left in the UK. Many of them the only source left for vinyl.
Coincidentally as I turned towards the TV whilst one store owner was being interviewed I spotted an album on the wall behind him by a band called Byzantium. They were a bunch of guys I used to follow around in the early 70s who had a good following but never quite made it.
Robin Lamble was the Bass player and ended up living in LA and playing bass for Al Stewart. What I hadn't realised (having done a bit of reaearch today) was that one of the guitar players, Mick Barakan, also moved to the US but these days is known as Shane Fontayne and seems to have a very impressive list of playing credits which include being the guitarist on a US tour with Sting.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 20:52:53
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Audiophile vinyl is typically thicker, heavier plastic, what they call 180g or 200g, which makes for a flatter record, less vibration, and more stable groove walls, all of which contribute significantly to better transfer to the stylus thus better sound. Interesting, didn't know that either. Is there any other way of telling if it's of that type other than the guy charging more for it? Like some logo or code, on the sleeve?
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SteveJL
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 20:59:45
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It should say on the jacket or the label on the record itself. Plus the feel of heaviness when holding the record itself is VERY noticeable.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 21:08:34
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I feel bad for all the people who will never know the joys of the "new album" experience as I have known it over the last 35 years. All the albums that I love that were created as an "entity", with a certain "flow", where it was never about the tracks, but rather what they added up to. "Long live the album" And there ya are - couldn't agree more. Since moving to computerized music 'round the turn of the century, I've had on ongoing project where I'm transferring my tapes to CD and then to MP3. Obviously the first step - tape into the PC - is a realtime process, and I can't tell you the pleasure I've obtained from "rediscovering" so many great albums, listened to in their original context. Don't get me wrong - I'm firmly comitted to the digital music revolution, the pros outweigh the cons many times over. But I'm with ya 100% - it's been a long time since I felt that anticipation buying a new "album". I MISS the "whole package" experience.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 21:24:32
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Vinyl never really went away. I have picked up as many new records as CDs.
I replaced my phono cartridge with a high-end Shure last year. It was surprising to see many of the same brands that I grew up with and they were still high quality. It seems its the one area the Chinese may not rule yet (then again, maybe it was made there).
It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 10 years. Will online sales be only one marketing venue among many others, or will it become the only marketing venue?
While the CD/LP sales may be down I have to wonder if it is not necessarily due to a shift in buying trends as much as not many superstar acts making mega sales this year. The industry has had "off years" due to that. The CD is of higher quality than an MP3, so the market for quality will never really go away.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 21:36:00
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the "whole package" experience Yeah, hence my earlier remarks on bundling stuff. I think it's at least *one* thing that has a future (besides games) - although maybe it's just not for the younger generations - until they rediscover it, maybe. Interactive could be the operative word here - like with games.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 21:38:22
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the "whole package" experience
Yeah, hence my earlier remarks on bundling stuff. I think it's at least *one* thing that has a future (besides games) - although maybe it's just not for the younger generations - until they rediscover it, maybe. Interactive could be the operative word here - like with games.
I don't think so. The market for passive entertainment is not going to go away.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 21:42:24
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The market for passive entertainment is not going to go away. You're probably right - but who's going to supply it? If you read that out of 570,000 albums 450,000 sold less than 100 copies in the US, that probably means a huge dichotomy - can small guys keep up with the big names...
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/20 23:42:41
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Can the small guy keep up? I do not think so, no. They cannot, and never have. There are no world famous bands that made it wholly on their own in modern times that I can name (but I may be wrong). They had a label behind them, or promotion and publicity, distribution. Without it, they go nowhere. The nature of the product format is not going to change that equation IMO. Basically like always, you self promote until somebody notices you and then, they promote you. If you are really lucky, you will have somebody who both really believes in you and has access to the market in some meaningful way. If not, repeat step 1 lol. 
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 00:03:01
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I heard Vinyl was making a come back too. A friend of mine will be releasing his next album on vinyl. He was strongly encouraged to do that by the studio -- he thought they were nuts at first but they told him that vinyl is the ONLY market segment that's growing. I have since confirmed that from no less an authority than the RIAA, which says vinyl sales were up 36% in 2007.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 01:27:02
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There was sale locally where someone was clearing out an old mastering lathe for basically nothing... something like 200.00. I was so tempted to pick it-up...but then to literally pick it up and where to put it was the only thing that stopped me. I have enough tripping hazards in my " studio " space as it is.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 04:39:10
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Anyone remember what the record industry forced us to buy during the days of the vinyl crisis in the 70s?
I have some disks so thin that a pile 100 high wouldn't even reach the height of a Denny's short stack!
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 04:48:24
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Yeah I remember they were quite different in thickness at one point in time, hence my question about how to spot those audiophile quality ones with certainty. Thicker is always better, but looks can be deceiving.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 09:02:18
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One thing I do not miss, is trying to learn a song from vinyl.
It was most annoying to have keep picking up the damn needle and dropping it to hear that one lick you never quite got.
Give me a computer or CD with remote control anyday.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 09:47:27
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Ive pretty much grown up with CD's, and then of course the MP3 era. I dont mind the portability of MP3's through the MP3 players these days, but I still buy the CD's, I like going into a music shop looking around, seeing whats on offer then buying something i like. I have bought Mp3's only, not a lot, but probably never again. Ive just started buying music again and CD's and really enjoy the journey it takes you on, still think that a lot of artisticness in the covers has been lost over the last few years, any Whoo, that was my little rant. cheers.
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 16:32:48
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Not to steal the topic, but there's something else that's changed (that many consumers are "missing out on") in the de-evolution from LP to CD to MP3:
Anybody old enough to remember a time when the centerpiece of every living room was a huge-@$$ stereo? Like, a big one-piece of wood furniture with 15" speakers on each side, a lift-up top, and a receiver & LP player in the middle?
In the 70s, people were into hifi. I grew up in a time when kids saved their allowances for better stereos & bigger & better speakers.
Playing a song over earbuds... yikes. Not knocking the current generation (I'm not an old fogie quite YET), just... reminescing.
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Roflcopter
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RE: 17 million people stopped buying CD's in 2008
2009/03/21 16:43:13
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when kids saved their allowances for better stereos & bigger & better speakers. Yeah those early Loudness Wars with my sister. 
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