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19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/the-19-best-daw-software-apps-in-the-world-today-238905 19. MuLabs 18. Sony Acid 17. Apple Garage Band 16. Nuendo 15. Samplitude Pro X 14. Renoise 13. Tracktion 12. Btwig Studio 11. Motu Digital Performer 10. Acoustica Mixcraft Pro 9. Pro Tools - the quote unquote "Industry Standard" 8. Cakewalk Sonar X3 7. Propellerhead Reason 6. Imageline FL Studio 5. Presonus Studio One 4. Steinberg Cubase 3. Cockos Reaper 2. Logic Pro And #1 (according to the poll) 1. Ableton Live You are now free to bash, kill, maim, and do whatever your heart tells you to do...
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/24 21:54:06
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:P Mac fanboyism detected :D.
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/24 23:46:47
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☄ Helpfulby Nino Vargas 2014/09/25 00:27:16
Silly rabbit, Polls are for Trolls.
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 02:17:38
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ampfixer Silly rabbit, Polls are for Trolls.
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 10:10:25
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The poll question should have been "what DAW do you use?". Ask what's the best of anything and you'll basically get a roll-call response. Everybody wants to think that the DAW (or headphones or monitors or plugins or microphones) they use is the best. The reality is that nobody's in a position to judge the relative merits of more than maybe two DAWs, because you have to live with one for a year or two before you can claim that qualification. And by then, you've probably figured out that whatever DAW you landed on will do the job - as they all will - and stop searching. I'm currently digging into one of those other DAWs for an upcoming review. As I discover its features, I naturally compare it to the DAW I know best. I'll think "oh, it does that better than SONAR", or "SONAR's light years ahead on that feature". But I can't compare it to Logic or Cubase and certainly not Live. And after I've spent three months exploring it I still won't have the expertise needed to rank it like the MusicRadar poll purports to do.
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 11:09:17
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I imagine the poll is more "what DAW do you use," giving a popularity contest w/in the MusicRadar community. So where is P5 on that list - still my favorite DAW? I've honestly been trying Live but can't figure it out enough. Maybe its the lite version I have, maybe I don't grok it, maybe I just need to sit down for a while w/ it. But anytime I have time to work on my music it seems I'm actually working on a song. Maybe I should just make more time. So bitflipper has the gospel - how do you compare your DAW with any other DAW, giving the learning curve. I mean, all the basics are the same, but speed and comfort from familiarity are usually the deciding factors. And it takes time to learn the more esoteric tools, much less compare it w/ your bog-standard DAW you use every day. @
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 11:30:28
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I put absolutely no stock in any of these polls. They're interesting... but IMO you can't draw any substantial conclusion/s from them. Two of the most "professionally featured" DAWs are ranked beneath Renoise?!?!
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 11:33:30
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Best DAW is usually the one people are using but at least it shows that people are happy with certain DAWs, which are improving on the one thing that really matters - crashing.
I do miss those 'this DAW sounds better than that DAW' threads.
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cclarry
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 13:14:13
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I use 7 different ones...have for quite a while...
They all have their strengths and weaknesses...
For sheer features...Cubase wins...
For user interface and a plethora of good plugins - Sonar X3
For sound - Mixbus comes out on top...I'd sure like to know what they are doing under the hood of this thing...
Cleanest Audio Engine and best all overall editing - Sampltiude Pro X
Mixcraft Pro 6 is quite capable at less then 1/3 the price and Mixcraft Pro 7 is right around the corner with full 64 bit support (I'm currently Beta testing build 230) and it has been rock solid
Studio One 2.6 is very very reliable and capable also...with an integrated Mastering Suite.
Reaper is SUPER lean...and rock solid for me on Win 8.1...
I also have MuLab and Podium installed...
Ok, so I have 9 DAW's in use...but mostly the first 7...
I, personally can't stand Live...but that's just a preference, I can't get past the interface...it bugs the crap out of me...but know it's used extensively in the EDM movement. Same for FL Studio...can't deal with it...
I used Pro Tools for several years...it works...it gets the job done...just not my thing, but I know how to use it if I have to...
Logic Pro is used quite extensively in the "Pro" world as well...
I test drove DP8....it had some strong points...but just didn't "awe" me...
I agree with Jim - all this poll really shows is that a lot of "youngsters" read Music Radar Publications... and participate in the polls....LOL
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 14:53:12
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The first step is admitting you have a problem. Now for the second step, cclarry.
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dubdisciple
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 15:08:23
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I use sonar and logic almost daily and still find them difficult to compare. Every time I find myself thinking one is "clearly superior" in a particular area, I discover something new that makes me question whether the difference is inherent in the DAW or a matter of how I work witht the DAW. The only thing I am completely sure of is that based on my experience, Logic has their best overall set of non-third party plugins. Including Sonar's third party plugins brings it closer but not sure quite. Cubase is close. FL studio is probably the closest believe it or not. I don't use FL much but find myself surprised when time after time I hear sound made with the included synths that hold up against any other synth included with other DAWS.
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cclarry
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 15:12:33
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strikinglyhandsome1 The first step is admitting you have a problem. Now for the second step, cclarry.
I MOST DEFINITELY have a problem...and I'll be the FIRST to admit it...many of them
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Rain
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 15:21:35
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19? How about the 117 greatest words that start with the letter X? That'd be as relevant. :P And Live!, really... Seems to me that it's a pretty limited set of options for a first choice. For exemple, if you are scoring to picture, Live doesn't really make sense - DP, Cubase or Logic are much better options and offer much more exhaustive sets of tools. I doubt that anyone can be as proficient with more than a few DAWs - so any such list is a non-sense. Heck I've been working with Logic for years now, spending hours with it every day, I've completed the Apple certification training manual and I'm working my way through the second one, and no matter how well I know it, I'm still figuring out things all the time and going "Wow! I can do this like that? Awesome"... I don't think I'm a particularly slow learner, and I can't for the life of me imagine that someone would have enough time to reach a point where they can make an objective comparison. Whatever you chose to use is the best.
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dubdisciple
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 15:24:03
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Larry..I tried to take the many DAW approach for awhile but I found myself never really getting proficient with any and blaming the DAWs. I am in the process of deleting DAWs now. I just got rid of reaper. Like the idea and pricing scheme but could not find any features I could not already achieve. I have not been as wowed by mixbus as the rest of the crowd. I do think it sounds good but honestly it is Ardour( a free DAW) with a really nice saturation plugin and Harrison name attached. I recorded identical things in Ardour and mixbus (bypassing them saturation) and could not tell the difference. I will install mixbus on my linux computer and compare more in like OS enviornments and see if I can find a more dramatic difference. If I don't, I will likely just use Ardour in Linux environment.
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 15:54:39
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Same here. I do have MixBus installed but I can't seem to use it, or even just to find time for it. I've checked out the newest version of Cubase and decided not to upgrade. Previous version uninstalled. Pro Tools - not upgraded and deleted. Studio One - sold.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 20:32:49
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When does Cubase 8 come out?
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JohnKenn
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 23:31:05
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Second or third support the premise that these polls are absolutely worthless, except for getting an insight into what others are using. In case we are missing something. Have seen forum posts from DAW's recruiting fanboys to swarm these polls to get brand X on top. Meaningless, misleading, ignorant. My brain is fortunately limited. Got Sonar and Reaper. Deleted everything else. Can't do without either one of these elegant creations because each picks up the death bell short falls of the other. Some may argue that Renoise and Mixbus deliver digital Nirvana. Rationale got to be listened to and taken it for what it may be worth. I always try to learn something regardless how remote. John
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/25 23:42:29
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I like Sonar and Ableton best. Ableton has the best drag and drop and best gapless audio of any DAW. But for hardcore audio editing the pros seem to use dp, samplitude, nuendo, or more likely pro tools. Horses for courses.
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JohnKenn
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/26 00:06:46
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Another plus recommendation for Samplitube from you guys. Adobe Audition 1.5, cool but goes south on Win 8.1. Scrambling for an alternative. Will have to give up my love affair with this dinosaur at some point. Degenerate "upgrades" to Audition are a downhill requiem at best. Sad to see the corruption of something that had such potential years ago when Syntrillium was calling the shots. Adobe bought them out and unfortunately, the rest is history. John
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/26 02:42:34
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JohnKenn Another plus recommendation for Samplitube from you guys. Adobe Audition 1.5, cool but goes south on Win 8.1. Scrambling for an alternative. Will have to give up my love affair with this dinosaur at some point. Degenerate "upgrades" to Audition are a downhill requiem at best. Sad to see the corruption of something that had such potential years ago when Syntrillium was calling the shots. Adobe bought them out and unfortunately, the rest is history. Â John
The versions of Audition went down after 1.5 but that was due to Adobe going through a transition in order to make Audition cross-platform. The initial attempts were too much like Soundbooth and sucked. Since CC Audition is just as stable as 1.5. Granted the bulk of the best improvements have went toward audio for video applications but I can't think of any feature that is worse than predecessors.
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
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2014/09/26 20:46:59
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JohnKenn
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/26 23:15:37
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Like Dub said, Audition 1.5 was the peak before the fall. Ver 2 was a mess. Midi implimentation was a disaster. They took out midi in ver 3 rather than tackle the mess they created. Bugs abounded that never were fixed. Ver 3 was supposedly more stable, but still forked up badly in critical areas. Don't laugh or judge unless you have applied the technology. Major loss in current versions is the signal or tone generator. Allowed the creation of growth stimulation files for plants, gardens outside or whatever inside the house. Taken out after ver 3, which was a major loss to informed state of the art gardeners, using Audition to keep their crops and indoor plants healthy. Different form of music appreciated by a diferent audience. John
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/26 23:39:35
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I forgot about the tone generators. There were all kinds of incredible claims, from plant growing to insomnia treatment and mind control . Never saw any proof it worked but certainly not laughing.
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JohnKenn
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/27 00:08:56
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Dub, Too many beers to get a good response for now, but there was, is credible science behind what Adobe Audition offered outside the human spectrum of response. Mind blowing applications and laboratory objective proof that the fringe claims are real.. Audition didn't have a clue, but offered an incidental quirk tool that supported something phenomenal. Will follow up with cold facts. When I can sober up and get some time off from work. Will relate some really neat stuff to ponder, that is transcendant and only far away as a couple mouse clicks. Best to all, John
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/27 00:23:38
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Enjoy the rest of your beer time!
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/27 04:24:10
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It was a loss when Syntrillium sold Cool Edit. That was great product. I got Audition. Gotta see which version it is. Still have Cool Edit Pro 2k also. Can't remember if I loaded it on the Win7 machine or not.
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/27 10:25:36
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I'm a daily Audition user. Version 3. Started with version 1.5. I got a deal on it because my brother works at Adobe. All I ever wanted out of it was the editing and analysis features because I already had a DAW. It's been outstanding in that regard. Noise removal, spectral editing, surgical equalization, tone generation, format conversion, phase and frequency analysis, RMS measurement, MP3 encoding. It's never crashed, can deal with any file format, and integrates nicely with SONAR. Adobe didn't add very many of those features, though. Cool Edit Pro does 90% of that stuff 90% as well. Adobe never had any interest in getting into the DAW business. It merely wanted to close a hole in its product line, namely a good audio editor to augment its main focus, which was video editing. (I also got a copy of Premier back then, but it sucked.) People who had been using Audition as a DAW were furious at Adobe's betrayal. Most simply migrated to another DAW. But to this day, no DAW integrates editing features as well as Audition. Audition + SONAR has it all. A shame it doesn't like Windows 8. But I understand; I don't like it either.
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JohnKenn
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/27 12:41:32
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Just the mention of what Adobe did to Cool Edit Pro still gets me po'd. Was my first DAW and would still probably be with it otherwise. There was indeed collective rage. I can't get ver 3 to even open in win 8. Ver 1.5 opens but won't record on my win 8 system. It does open existing files so my workaround has been to render the wav files in Sonar, open and edit them in Audition 1.5. Hanging onto it as long as I can since can't find anything that does many of the functions better (anything that's affordable). Will remember to get back with how you can use Audition to grow your house plants better. Amazing stuff. John
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dubdisciple
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Re: 19 Best DAW's in the World Today - Music Radar Poll
2014/09/27 19:26:06
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I guess what adobe did to cool edit does not bother me nearly as much as what they did to other products they acquired. The binaural audio and midi stuff was either fringe or worked poorly. The abandonment of fireworks and gutting of Serious Magic products was far more destructive IMHO.
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