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1959...
I was 8 years old. This is the song that opened my eyes to the fact that there was more out there in the musical world than the classics I was listening to. Check out the drummer...tell me he was not a pot smoker in 1959.
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Remarkable. Paul Desmond's jazz brain might be one of the best ever. Also, the band is integrated, which is huuuuge for something filmed/broadcast in 1959. Dave cancelled many concerts in Southern states and nixed many filmed/televised appearances when they refused to allow the bass player Eugene Wright on stage. Perhaps the drummer (Joe Morello?) just got back from cataract surgery. Sure looks happy, though. thanks for the post! -Tom
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Wow! I had no idea that you're that ANCIENT
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Dave (bit that is) is ~2 years older than me and I'm older that dirt.
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Re: 1959...
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/04/19 19:04:09
"Dirt + 2" would be great name for a band.
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Coincidentally I started reading this last night; Radcliffe takes one song from every year since he was born as the cornerstone of each chapter, and 'Take Five' was his choice for 1959.
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Joe ... one of the greatest drummers of the 20th century and probably the most musical soloist ... had vision problems from childhood and always wore glasses or dark glasses. Here are a couple of minutes of Joe soloing (there is a little glitch in the audio at one point):
This is 1961 ... 8 years before LZII's Moby Dick.
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Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.
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Always loved Take Five.
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I actually saw the Brubeck quartet around that time (I was 12 in 1959). It was a concert venue in an amusement park near Salt Lake City (my family, from central Illinois, were visiting my father's siblings who lived in Utah). This was the biggest thrill of my life until that point - I was totally hooked on Brubeck - not any other jazz, but exclusively Brubeck. Joe Morello at one point slightly misaimed a snare hit in the middle of a frenetic solo and the drumstick when flying up and across the stage. He literally did not miss a beat but had another in hand so quickly you'd never know it happened without the visual experience.
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Great tune and band! Triplets and quintets in 5/8. Did a time portal open up somewhere as well?
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i don't know about that, but check out around 2.12, tell me if you don't think the piano player farted?
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If he did, it was probably on beat!
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quantumeffect Joe ... one of the greatest drummers of the 20th century and probably the most musical soloist ... had vision problems from childhood and always wore glasses or dark glasses. Here are a couple of minutes of Joe soloing (there is a little glitch in the audio at one point):
This is 1961 ... 8 years before LZII's Moby Dick.
Rowdy crowd.
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I looked up Joe Morello on Wikipedia, and sure enough, he did have vision problems his whole life. Do you suppose his dark glasses started that whole trend among jazz musicians in the 50's and 60's? Remember that early Kia commercial from years back that featured a hamster band? Joe had to have been the prototype for the hamster drummer. I couldn't find it on YouTube, maybe someone with more finely-honed search skills can locate it...
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Great tune, great playing got my furry ears twitching back in my youth to Dave. IIRC it was used by the BBC for a program called Take Five on the then new BBC 2 625 Jazz music program.
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I suspect it's one of only two tunes in 5/4 time to become a 'hit', the other being Tull's Living in The Past.
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There's also the Mission Impossible theme, although I guess it'd be a stretch to call it a "hit".
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It peaked at 41 in the Billboard Top 100 in 1968. Not as high as some TV themes, but still pretty high.
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That's a hit! 3 then. Wonder if there's any more.
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Re: 1959...
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2017/04/21 16:33:23
The intro to White Room. Ginger was heavily influenced by Joe and the White Room intro was kind of a Morello / Bolero mashup.
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quantumeffect Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.
Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing? I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing. Very curious...
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I love Paul Desmond's 5/4 improvisations. BTW, fantastic performance and video! Thanks for posting, BF. Happy Friday, Bert
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Re: 1959...
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☄ Helpfulby Bert Guy 2017/04/21 19:35:32
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quantumeffect Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.
Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing? I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing. Very curious...
The soloing with his hands is over an ostinato where the bass drum lands on one and the hi hat plays 2 & 4. So when counting in 5/4 you can establish beat 1 by listening to the bass drum. Once you get the feel for that you can hear the hats landing on 2 & 4 with a rest on beat 5.
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quantumeffect Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.
Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing? I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing. Very curious...
OK ... so put a little 45 second instructional video together for you
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One of the best versions of Take 5 is on the first track of the Dave Brubeck's Greatest Hits album. It is slower and way more relaxed. And the sax and drum solos solos are also marvellous on this one too. Paul Desmond also recorded a track called Take 10 on the Skylark album much later with Jack De Johnette on drums and that is also pretty cool.
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quantumeffect Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.
Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing? I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing. Very curious...
The soloing with his hands is over an ostinato where the bass drum lands on one and the hi hat plays 2 & 4. So when counting in 5/4 you can establish beat 1 by listening to the bass drum. Once you get the feel for that you can hear the hats landing on 2 & 4 with a rest on beat 5.
No, no, I meant specifically how he was opening and closing the hi-hat out of sync with his leg going up and down. I actually watched it again here at home on my bigger monitor and I can see it's when he's playing heel down, the rest of his leg is rhythmically bouncing up and down seemingly independent of his hi-hat action. Pretty cool. I've just never seen anyone do that. Nice demo on the beat breakdown, too. Thank you. I've actually been working on 5/4 stuff in my practice rotation lately, so I will give this one a go.
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quantumeffect Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.
Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing? I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing. Very curious...
The soloing with his hands is over an ostinato where the bass drum lands on one and the hi hat plays 2 & 4. So when counting in 5/4 you can establish beat 1 by listening to the bass drum. Once you get the feel for that you can hear the hats landing on 2 & 4 with a rest on beat 5.
No, no, I meant specifically how he was opening and closing the hi-hat out of sync with his leg going up and down. I actually watched it again here at home on my bigger monitor and I can see it's when he's playing heel down, the rest of his leg is rhythmically bouncing up and down seemingly independent of his hi-hat action. Pretty cool. I've just never seen anyone do that.
Nice demo on the beat breakdown, too. Thank you. I've actually been working on 5/4 stuff in my practice rotation lately, so I will give this one a go.
Sorry ... I misunderstood what you were asking. I didn't set the camera up to really show my leg but it is essentially doing the same thing, just not so exaggerated, and it's really just a slight variation on the old school rocking technique. That is the technique I learned as a child so I really don't think about it very much. If you were rocking your foot back and forth in 4/4 using a heel-toe-heel-toe pattern with your heel tapping on 1 and 3 and your toes on 2 and 4 your leg will look like a piston going up and down between the beats. Joe adds an extra heel tap on beat 5 in 5/4. So, the result is the knee coming up on the "& of 2", the "& of 4" and the "& of 5" ... so if you listen for the bass drum to establish 1 you will see the knee come up once ("& of 2") and then twice in rapid succession ("& of 4", "& of 5"). Joe is really bouncing his heel so the knee comes up high.
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Here is Joe much more recently (probably the late '90's) playing a more contemporary style on the hi hat. He plays straight quarter notes throughout ... You have a clear shot to see his foot bouncing but now just on the beat as he drives the toe into the pedal board of the hi hat. I don't remember anything about his hi hat stand in particular but in the mid 90's he was using a bass drum pedal with a solid one piece foot board (I actually saw him use a double pedal in a small club in NJ a couple of times). The text scrolling stops after about 1 minute so you will have to be patient.
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