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2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
Dear Bakers. Templates are to serve users with starting with preferred own customized setup, aren't they?  So why are you stubbornly replace basic.cwt with complete useless setup 1 audio/1midi (even with badly guessed I/O). I would like to press ctrl-N and get my setup. Not useless thing. Of course after 2 last updates I am very careful and do not trust install anymore and I do backup my template and restore it but it is annoying and what's the matter with you? Template, please recall what was purpose of creation it. It is not internal Sonar file. It is to make user life easier... Workflow better... Or if you have some of holly war with file named basic.cwt please do option in preferences where we could assign to startup template (CTRL-N) our own with name defined by us and fill basic.cwt even nulls...
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 11:46:03
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I thought Seth answered this question for you last week ? Piotr
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
I can probably help shine a light on this area. We've been updating and replacing presets for years on every release. Compatibility concerns were the driving force. Having different templates between 4+ versions of SONAR and potentially updating them all in a monthly release cycle was silly.
From interviews (and analytics) we found the vast majority of users make their own presets or use the most basic ones. We decided to "K.I.S.S." the problem away. "One set of presets to rule them all."
TL:DR
1) Please backup your favorite presets :)
2) If you modify a template, rename it.
P.S. Cloud sync is a great solution. I use it myself.
Thank you, Seth, for your advice, Yep, your right smart user should always backup his data including everything ( not like me only project). But wait ... How should goes design? How hard is to rise dialog box with warning, templates will be overwritten? How hard is to backup templates for user in additional folder with name like backup-[data] or so?
Please do not be microsof'ish . Do not adjust user's workflow to let easier (how much?) installation. Please do adjust program to let user easier workflow and confidence program extremely cares about user data. Please recall what was point of creation templates. Ready-to-go. We have different interfaces, so we need adust, different preferences (I am too poor to start with count-in = 0, it is only for the best), different needs etc. Please do not overwrite also shortcuts... It is great when developers are passionate with their work but please do not forget who is target. How hard is to ask or warn user, make option etc? Please recall one of main rules in software creation (never permanently delete user data). Never force user to defend against program. Simple question if install delete templates how rollback to previous version can restore it?
Don't take me wrong, I like Sonar, and this is why I would like it it have absolutely the best user-oriented approach and best workflow in the work. We have progress every month what is great but still many, many things to improve to have the world best workflow.
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Piotr
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 12:47:08
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Sorry, Chuck, what kind of answer is it? Backup template before update and restore after overwriting what was overwritten by update ? Are you serious? This means basic.cwt is no longer user template... or only between updates... I would not care about it if have option to bind to ctrl-n any of my templates...
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 13:02:51
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PiotrI would not care about it if have option to bind to ctrl-n any of my templates...
there's your feature request right there 
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 13:06:59
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/10/29 14:36:20
Piotr - If you set your custom template as the default, it will be used by CTRL-N. You do have to use the menu options to get to this dialog ONCE to get the default changed. 
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 14:00:22
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I just assume that any canned examples provided with any product have the potential to be updated, regardless whether it's SONAR or MS Word. There is no requirement to make basic.cwt your default template. Start with it as a convenience if you like, but save your personalized template as, say, Piotr.cwt and make that your default. SONAR will never mess with it.
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 14:20:16
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/10/30 12:36:54
pwalpwal
PiotrI would not care about it if have option to bind to ctrl-n any of my templates...
there's your feature request right there
Go ahead and mark that FR "Implemented"
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 15:16:34
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BobF
Piotr - If you set your custom template as the default, it will be used by CTRL-N. You do have to use the menu options to get to this dialog ONCE to get the default changed.
Thank you, Bob. Probably it is all I need. I will be updating in few days comp in my second location. Good opportunity to check it out.
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 15:28:14
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Im sorry are your templates getting over written or is it the Basic/CWT isn't loading when starting a new project ? Because your thread title and OP seems to conflict that. That's why I posted the quote from Seth, thinking you might not have seen it. piotr Are you serious I guess not... I was simply trying to help.
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 15:34:50
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I see the problem with the templets, yes this was addressed last week that "the bakers replace the templets" because the old ones are possible defective.
At the end of the day any templet created using a defective templet will need to be replaced.
So more or less you need to replace any user templets with each update.
The question is.... What if a problem that someone keeps seeing is related to an old temple and not Sonar itself?
From the ground up if a templet is an issue... this needs to be addressed and fixed so moving forward user templets as well as the older templets are solid and bugless. A bugless templet should be a priority update...
I could be missing something so... lol
Peace!
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 19:15:36
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/10/29 19:16:24
Piotr
Templates are to serve users with starting with preferred own customized setup, aren't they? So why are you stubbornly replace basic.cwt with complete useless setup 1 audio/1midi (even with badly guessed I/O).
One way to avoid having templates overwritten is change the path to project templates in Preferences > File > Folder Locations. The installer writes to the default location and ignores any custom path set in preferences.
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/10/29 20:44:24
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Piotr
Templates are to serve users with starting with preferred own customized setup, aren't they? So why are you stubbornly replace basic.cwt with complete useless setup 1 audio/1midi (even with badly guessed I/O).
One way to avoid having templates overwritten is change the path to project templates in Preferences > File > Folder Locations. The installer writes to the default location and ignores any custom path set in preferences.
Thank you, scook. It's great to know that. @Chuck, I would not like to hurt you. I appreciate your will to help. Maybe I misunderstood Seth intentions. My English is not too good. Advice to keep backup personal files is of course in general legit but it is rather not kind of advice you would like to hear when program is without asking you about any permission overwrites your data. Anyway, now it seems thanks to Bob and Steve I have ways to secure myself much easier than just restore from backup after update.
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/11/13 17:57:09
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I just went on a hunt for my template after noticing it had been missing since the 2017.09 update.
Discovered that my Cakewalk preferences had been overwritten for the default folder locations. Why did that happen?
All my custom path settings were wiped out and replaced with 'C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum'.
After pointing the 'Templates' path back to my original location, the default template is working again. Although I had to reset my 'Default' template to the correct one, because I had changed it in my attempts at fiddling around.
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/11/13 21:16:14
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John, I tested on my second machine solution described by Steve Cook (scook). Please take a look above in this thread.
It works flawlessly.
So I would strongly recommend you implement it immediately before you forget about it and next update will destroy it again ;) Also Bob's tip is nice.
Anyway, even on hard torture I will say 'program should never overwrite user's data without his permission'.But well, in this case I believe it is acceptable solution. Just pity I didn't know it when I installed Sonar.
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/11/13 23:41:11
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I read Cook's solution, and understand. But in my case it was my Cakewalk preferences that were replaced. This was all changed for me (except for project files and video files) > http://www.cakewalk.com/D...age=3&help=0x201D9 All my custom path settings were wiped out and replaced with 'C:\Users\ username\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum'. That is not where my stuff was located, so Sonar was coming up empty. All good now. Just had to restore the correct paths in default folder prefs. My templates were still where they always were. None of them were overwritten. 
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/11/14 16:51:41
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abacab in my case it was my Cakewalk preferences that were replaced.
this is weird, and you seem to be the only one reporting this issue?
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Re: 2017.10 again overwrites USER TEMPLATE ! - basic.cwt
2017/11/14 17:22:39
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/11/14 18:20:12
pwalpwal
abacab in my case it was my Cakewalk preferences that were replaced.
this is weird, and you seem to be the only one reporting this issue?
I think so, because I searched the forums before I posted a new topic in the problems forum: >Sonar default folder locations changed with recent update< http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3683289
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