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2017/06/18 17:06:05 (permalink)

2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts

Anyone else seeing anything like this?
 
It happens even when I have a very minimal setup such as for mastering... But I keep getting them (dropouts) and the reset start/stop engine don't seem to work after each incident. I must restart Sonar to get back to normal...
 
I do think I notice that it happens when I allow Sonar to sit in the background for a few minutes...?
 
I'm running a fully updated version of Win8.1 here...
 
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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/18 23:44:03 (permalink)
Ok... i guess it must be something unique here... im wondering ehat dhanged? I guess ive been updating windows...

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 00:52:34 (permalink)
I am also getting dropouts quite frequently. and crashes.  Sonar is getting increasingly unstable in my opinion

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 01:35:23 (permalink)
On Win 10 I have been getting a few problems since the latest update. I have noticed the audio dropout box appearing quite unexpectedly, I mean even when no audio is playing. I've also been having problems opening projects from the start screen - they crash on load but don't when opening using other methods.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 07:45:25 (permalink)
Judging by the fact that this thread has not lit up with people having similar issues since updating to 2017.5.... looks like it's something particular to your systems. 

What audio driver mode are you using.  are all Windows patches up to date.  Confirmed that all latest hardware drivers - including video.  No unnecessary background tasks eating CPU cycles.  Audio buffer time set too low.  What bit depth and sample rate are your projects at?, etc

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 09:05:49 (permalink)
I also experience quite a bit of audio dropouts recently. More than I had before.
I suspect using the Adaptive Limiter (great addition by the way!) and LP EQ is more demanding on the CPU.
But even if I am using only one at a time, I still get more frequent dropouts -in my perception- than before.
I am running on Windows 10, Intel i7 2.6 GHz 16Gb RAM.
 
If this can be addressed, i'd be more than happy. Because I am impressed what Sonar can do, and extremely happy with it.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 12:58:55 (permalink)
Sonar is mostly running just fine.

I seem to be getting these now even when near nothing in the project and not running. Sometimes Sonar is in the background when it happens while i do some simple chore such as copying files.

All software is up to date and this did not strat happening until 2017.5

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 13:33:31 (permalink)
I had more frequent audio engine problems in 2017-05. Rolled back to last solid version on my system and all is well. Hoping future updates are more stable. I find after major feature changes it sometimes takes a few updates to settle down.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 13:56:46 (permalink)
and Resplendence LatencyMon shows everything ok?
http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
 
We'll look into it.
 
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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 15:01:39 (permalink)
Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
and Resplendence LatencyMon shows everything ok?
http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
 
We'll look into it.
 
Keith




Thanks for looking in Keith...
 
Yes, my system is fine for real time audio according to the Latency monitor...
 
 

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 15:04:56 (permalink)
I'm getting a few more dropouts and crashed than usual after this last update. Seems to happen when I try to insert certain plugs (NI compressors, Izotope Neutron)in track FX bins.
Also, some of the instruments in Komplete 11 are acting strangely when I load them. Some will have no presets at first (which later show up), some just make a weird "flanging" noise that fades away then everything is good.
Of course, just had a major Windows update too, so there's that....

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 17:11:25 (permalink)
Here's a typical scenario that just happened...
 
Sonar is running with a single stereo audio track with both the $k compressor in the PC and Adaptive Limiter in an FX chain after it...
 
I created two exported files (wav/mp3) and listened once with waverform preview on the output bus
 
I walked away for 20 minutes and when I came back the dropout toast message was again there....

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 18:00:23 (permalink)
power saving?
 

just a sec

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 19:17:58 (permalink)
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power saving?
 


Nope... power save is off. No screensavers etc. and ive been running Sonar here on this machine/OS for a good long time now...

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 22:09:18 (permalink)
It seems I recognize some of you guys from the forum sometime back, so maybe there is something similar about our systems.
I've also had more dropouts since the 2017.5 update.
In addition, I get an "Out of Memory" Prompt from time to time.  If I restart Sonar, the problem, more times than not, is resolved. On another occasion I was making a master wav file and I noticed drop outs or glitches more than in the past.  When I set the buffer to 1024 to eliminate the drop outs, the transport would not start.  The same with 2048. But, When I close and reopen Sonar I can get the transport to work.  In general, I have had to use a higher buffer setting than before the update on some projects, but not all projects.
 
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post edited by fantini - 2017/06/22 20:56:44
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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/19 23:55:48 (permalink)
Thanks for reporting in everyone

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 02:23:12 (permalink)
I just started having this issue two days ago... happens about three or four times per session.   The issues take place during mixing, not recording...hmmmm?  Might need to roll back...but I would sure miss those Quadcurve presets :(
 
Edit:   Not using Adaptive Limiter and latencymon reports everything AOK for audio
post edited by bokchoyboy - 2017/06/20 14:51:11
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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 10:40:22 (permalink)
Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
and Resplendence LatencyMon shows everything ok?
http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
 
We'll look into it.
 
Keith




Dear Keith
 
I checked my laptop with this program, and it gave a message that I would have dropout issues with realtime audio.
The advised remedy was to switch the wireless LAN connection off. Now the latencymon reports "suitable for handling realtime audio"). So thanks for that tip!.
 
While checking in Sonar there are still audio dropouts. Can't judge if they are less now (seems the case). Switching of the Adaptive Limiter in the masterbus prevents the dropouts from happening. The project I am working on is a 4 track audio all going in a masterbus, no VSTi's, no LP EQ or LP MB, so not so heavy in my view.
Seems to me the Adaptive Limiter - though a great addition; like it! - draws heavy on CPU causing the audio dropouts?
 
 

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 15:56:37 (permalink)
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Switching of the Adaptive Limiter in the masterbus prevents the dropouts from happening.



Well there ya go.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 16:14:10 (permalink)
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Switching of the Adaptive Limiter in the masterbus prevents the dropouts from happening.



Well there ya go.




Interesting....
 
That is a change to my mastering which seems to be where I notice the dropouts.... I'll investigate this asap...
 
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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 16:17:30 (permalink)
Also keep an eye on the L-Phase EQ and Multi-band if you're having problems.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 16:20:18 (permalink)
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Also keep an eye on the L-Phase EQ and Multi-band if you're having problems.




Thanks Steve...
 
Will do. I get spoiled as I so rarely experience such limitations here...
 

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 16:22:38 (permalink)
Same here ... but I noticed the L-Phase stuff being pretty demanding so they're on the "only when mixing at high latency" list.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/20 23:29:47 (permalink)
OK...
 
Does look as though the AL is the culprit here. I don't get any dropouts at all with any projects that it is not in...
 
I can live with that for a bit...
 

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/21 04:00:02 (permalink)
I've been having some issues as well, but I was assuming "dropouts" (which may be a fairly vague term) was something with my audio interface, I froze tracks, archived tracks, streamlined plugins, and adjusted ASIO latency, didn't help. Granted, my current project is surely pushed to the max with plugins, but then I adjusted my midi playback buffers. I did this as a last resort and it actually worked for me.
 
I haven't had to adjust my midi playback buffers since I can't remember when . . . it's always been at 750 msec, for many years. Moving it up to 1000 msec buffers solved it for me.
 
I'm not saying this is the same case for everyone here, but somehow this latest Platinum update has changed something with my midi buffer requirements ? Just something else to try, if nothing else works for your projects.
 
And, yes . . . I've been blaming the new Adaptive Limiter as the possible cause for this . . . but switching back to Concrete Limiter, the issues persisted. By adjusting my midi buffers, I'm also able to run Adaptive Limiter in this crazy project, successfully.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/21 15:11:57 (permalink)
You guys are not alone in this. I am dead in the water with Sonar now.
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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/21 20:14:39 (permalink)
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You guys are not alone in this. I am dead in the water with Sonar now.


Just roll back. That's what the function was created for. So people such as yourself wouldn't be "Dead in the water".

I haven't noticed any difference myself. Everything is moving along excellent here. However im using Windows 8.1 so it could be something involved with Windows 10.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/21 20:31:01 (permalink)
It seems it would be good to know specifics about which OS is in use,
for people with problems
and people without problems.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/22 00:06:11 (permalink)
Keni is using a MAC machine running windows, so that's another layer to be considered. Another thing to remember is that windows updates can turn on previously shut down services and sound devices. I know that my AMD video card has audio output that conflicts with Sonar's operation. Sometimes windows turns it back on and I get weird messages from Sonar. I also have to disable my wi-fi adapter. After a big windows update I go through the entire system and see what settings have been changed.
 
There a lot of moving parts when the OS changes weekly and Sonar changes monthly.

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Re: 2017.5 Seeing Unusal Number Of Dropouts 2017/06/22 00:19:41 (permalink)
Yup! Hybrid land here, but you know what? It has run so well on 2 different machines for many years now. I experience very few glitches...

I also never update the OSX so its in a very stable place. The machine bootd up and stays in win8.1... dual 6-core xeons, 64G RAM and 4 500G SSD's and i rarely have to adjust latency or experience performance issues such as dropouts at all... so this is a rarity here...

Outside of design issues i have no other problems in Sonar... well, it does crash a lot when closing/opening fikes as i still depend on a few 32 bit vst's.... but im never hurt by that! ;-)

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