Ham N Egz
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23 pages on KVR about X3
interesting take reading others perspectives mostly positive but there are two Haters there that make some of the negative nancys here look like Mother Theresa.. they should stop 
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 10:03:33
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Yep, I'm in those 23 pages...come help me!
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Ham N Egz
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 10:16:57
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clintmartin
Yep, I'm in those 23 pages...come help me!
then you know the two I am speaking of, their minds are made up so we cant change their opinions but MAYBE prevent others from forming an opinion without looking at all sides you know if a product doesnt work for you fine, pick up and go. I tried S1 and to me, its too convoluted for me I dont go to the Presonus Forum and blast it ..
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 10:27:42
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Yeah I basically said that. Don't judge X3 before it's even been officially announced! Who knows at this point? I also asked if your using a different daw, why would you even care about X3. I have chose to use Cakewalk. I don't really care what the other guys are doing.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 10:31:59
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Yes, there are a few extreme haters there that for some reason find it necessary to comment in every thread about X3. I wouldn`t know why anyone would put that much energy in a product they say they dislike, except that they must have a strong love and fascination for SONAR and were never able to get over the fact that they broke up with it in the past. lol
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 10:52:34
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musicman100
you know if a product doesnt work for you fine, pick up and go.
I tried S1 and to me, its too convoluted for me I dont go to the Presonus Forum and blast it ..
I don't know, I found S1 to be pretty straightforward right out of the gate: 
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 10:54:31
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Page 22 - Someone has even dug up, and posted a link regarding details of
Roland's reason for share transfer to Gibson (and shares/finances)
All this negative stuff about X3, and it has not even been released yet..!
Crazy....
Garry
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 10:58:24
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And that's why I don't create an account on those types of general audio sites and rarely visit them unless I'm doing a specific search on something. Too much anger, speculation, bad info, trolling and outright viciousness. Shame though because there do seem to be some very smart and helpful people amongst the rabble.
Sorry, Clint. You're on your own. I'll just have to clean up your wounds in between rounds and send you back in swingin'. ;-)
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 11:04:01
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There is much confusion about 'losing' components between X2 and X3, but to be fair that is happening in this forum as well...
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 11:07:14
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I reached out to a few to see if we could help resolve their issues and discuss their thoughts. They wanted no part of it.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 11:07:15
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lowdown
Page 22 - Someone has even dug up, and posted a link regarding details of
Roland's reason for share transfer to Gibson (and shares/finances)
All this negative stuff about X3, and it has not even been released yet..!
Crazy....
Garry
Yep, I agree, lets just wait until the product is released to see whats in it; what it will be priced at and how many 'bugs' will be fixed. And lets wait to see what kind of issues we will encounter with the 'new' division now (or will be) selling the Sonar product(s). But I must admit that some of the comments and threads about the proposed purchase of Cakewalk are .....how should I say it ...."interesting'; if not down right funny!
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 11:15:40
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
I reached out to a few to see if we could help resolve their issues and discuss their thoughts. They wanted no part of it.
 it would have been easier to herd cats or teach a pig to sing
post edited by musicman100 - 2013/09/27 11:29:41
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 11:19:54
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Let 'em have their bashfest! When X3 is finally here they'll be drooling over it, wishing they had it. My prediction is some of the haters will even buy X3, assume a new identity and talk about how awesome it is!  All joking aside it's so childish to hate and bash something that hasn't even been released yet. Sheesh! Give it a chance. I think this is going to be the best release yet including many fixes.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 11:34:50
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Jeez. About a third of that thread is a couple of guys going through an off-topic acrimonious nerd-divorce in public. The amount of it that's actually about X3 is pretty small.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 11:39:18
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I've been over to the Studio One forum this morning fighting the haters. There was a 'Wow' thread (re. the Gibson acquisition) and it drew some nasty childish posts when normally the S1 forum is quite civilised. I have Studio One as well as Sonar and enjoy using both, although if I have some MIDI in a project and I'm using my external synths and drum machines it's Sonar every time as S1 was written primarily for audio and MIDI is not well catered for.
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Ham N Egz
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 12:06:10
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Skyline_UK
I've been over to the Studio One forum this morning fighting the haters. There was a 'Wow' thread (re. the Gibson acquisition) and it drew some nasty childish posts when normally the S1 forum is quite civilised. I have Studio One as well as Sonar and enjoy using both, although if I have some MIDI in a project and I'm using my external synths and drum machines it's Sonar every time as S1 was written primarily for audio and MIDI is not well catered for.
Curiousity got the best of me and I didnt see any thread titles blatent about it, I didnt go further to scour the actual posts looking for them.Unlike the aformentioned "place" where it sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 12:34:42
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Beepster
And that's why I don't create an account on those types of general audio sites and rarely visit them unless I'm doing a specific search on something. Too much anger, speculation, bad info, trolling and outright viciousness. Shame though because there do seem to be some very smart and helpful people amongst the rabble.
Sorry, Clint. You're on your own. I'll just have to clean up your wounds in between rounds and send you back in swingin'. ;-)
Clearly your much smarter than I am. Hahaha!
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:31:05
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Why don't they show some real Nostradamus sack and start bashing X5 years before it's released?!!
If you summarize posts? They're all starting to sound rather like this:
"Erm muh gherd! How dare they try to improve existing performance and add features?!! What are they trying to do, sell copies of a new product or something??? I for one will be boycotting the whole deal! Obviously a company could not possibly sort out issues of any kind and this new version will undoubtedly suffer from problems that were fixed two years ago or more. I barely tried the thing 4 years ago, ran into a few issues and jumped ship to another product that I am having so much success with, that all I seem to do is piss and moan about the product I left! Boo everything!!!"
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:33:05
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musicman100
interesting take reading others perspectives mostly positive but
there are two Haters there that make some of the negative nancys here look like Mother Theresa..
they should stop
Yes, there are haters and unreasonable people in that thread but there are also people with legitimate points. Many of us feel that Cakewalk is ignoring bugs and puts very little effort into making the program stable. Instead they just keep adding features not addressing the problems many people are having. I've heard nothing about bug fixes so far.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:34:44
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vintagevibe
musicman100
interesting take reading others perspectives mostly positive but
there are two Haters there that make some of the negative nancys here look like Mother Theresa..
they should stop
Yes, there are haters and unreasonable people in that thread but there are also people with legitimate points. Many of us feel that Cakewalk is ignoring bugs and puts very little effort into making the program stable. Instead they just keep adding features not addressing the problems many people are having. I've heard nothing about bug fixes so far.
There have been a few mentions about stability/core improvements from the Bakers FWIW.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:38:14
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Beepster
vintagevibe
musicman100
interesting take reading others perspectives mostly positive but
there are two Haters there that make some of the negative nancys here look like Mother Theresa..
they should stop
Yes, there are haters and unreasonable people in that thread but there are also people with legitimate points. Many of us feel that Cakewalk is ignoring bugs and puts very little effort into making the program stable. Instead they just keep adding features not addressing the problems many people are having. I've heard nothing about bug fixes so far.
There have been a few mentions about stability/core improvements from the Bakers FWIW.
I must have missed that. But I'm skeptical.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:49:28
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vintagevibe
I must have missed that. But I'm skeptical.
Well it's pretty much a standard thing to do within a new version/update of any software and pretty much goes without saying but will still get mentioned. I still think a lot of the problems X2 had were because of the touch stuff and/or working/releasing it before Windows 8.1 was released. I mean seriously it is the odd graphical glitches, bizarre button behavior and selection stuff that really stands out to me and that kind of implies that it's how the user interface is accepting the data. I'm starting think the reason we didn't get a patch was because when Win 8 was officially released it was significantly different or different enough than the pre release version for developers that they said "Screw it. This is too messed up. We'll just do it right for X3 instead of trying to build on top of what we've already done." I really do think that trying to build a program around an OS that had yet to be released was a bad idea. I'm just annoyed that I had to pay for that experiment and wish there had been an exclusively Win 7 (and maybe Vista) release for those who don't want or need touchscreen or Win8. But I'm trying not to dwell on this anymore. What's done is done and there ain't no changing things now. I'd still pay $50 for an X2 patch if they made one available after the release of X3.
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Starise
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:50:30
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In the case of the S-1 forum. That forum unfortunately has received some of the trouble makers that once came over here. I don't envy them at all and I say good riddance. Naturally none of those folks are going to be happy about anything Sonar. The lack of using common logic shows in bashing a product that hasn't even shipped yet. I have S-1, used it in a few projects. It seems to be a great go to product for anything basic. The workflow in it is good once you learn your way around it.There are a few things it excels at but still nowhere near the level of sophistication that is built into Sonar. Nowhere near the options.
I didn't bother to go to either forum to see what the ruckus is all about. Frankly I don't care, it's a waste of my time. This whole thing could have a reverse effect, I mean, if you create a war over which is best more people are prone to go out and experience it for themselves. Negative publicity can be good publicity.Thanks KVR, Thanks S-1.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:53:46
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I just dragged my poor head through all 23 pages and I'm not sure if we read the same thing. Most of it was about Steam, a coupe of guys threw sh** at each other like rabid monkeys, then there was some debate about Gibson and only a tiny part of the remainder was people slagging off either Cakewalk or Sonar.
If you haven't read it yet, please save yourself the time and trouble, it's not worth it.
Read my comprehensive summary instead: "A vapid turd of disinterest".
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:56:28
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Skyline_UK
I've been over to the Studio One forum this morning fighting the haters. There was a 'Wow' thread (re. the Gibson acquisition) and it drew some nasty childish posts when normally the S1 forum is quite civilised. I have Studio One as well as Sonar and enjoy using both, although if I have some MIDI in a project and I'm using my external synths and drum machines it's Sonar every time as S1 was written primarily for audio and MIDI is not well catered for.
Ah, I see the thread has progressed over the last 24 hours. I may pop in as well depending on how things go. Can't leave it up to just you and Jlien (another reasonable poster). For anyone that doesn't frequent the S1 forums, our old friend Bub is now a regular - there's no missing the zombie avatar. 
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 13:59:17
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ston
a coupe of guys threw sh** at each other like rabid monkeys
My mate Daryl loves monkeys. And it would appear he is missing out on all the fun.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 14:05:25
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
I reached out to a few to see if we could help resolve their issues and discuss their thoughts. They wanted no part of it.
As I said in the other thread, you can't blame them for making assumptions and giving unfair judgment to Sonar (both in KVR and here). That's their nature. I really wish you could've prevented the leak from Sweetwater so that you wouldn't be busy now correcting them. I often chime in Sonar bashing threads there and in Studio One forums to correct their misinformation, but the two threads in KVR this time were too long and active so I gave up reading.
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 14:45:16
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I kind of miss Bub SteveC. He wasn't happy with Sonar though. I try and stay clear of any airborne poop fights. Though it might be fun to watch
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 14:46:52
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
I reached out to a few to see if we could help resolve their issues and discuss their thoughts. They wanted no part of it.
 reminds me of something I read once about horses and water I think
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Re: 23 pages on KVR about X3
2013/09/27 18:58:45
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2013/09/27 19:00:23
KVR's forums are like the skankiest bar you've ever been in. Bunch of fools running their mouths and sooner or later someone gets clobbered with a pool cue. It's good entertainment if you know what you're about and keep your head. You do have to duck once in a while. Instead, I just lurk and enjoy the show.
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