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2nd monitor problem/s (SOLVED)
My music PC has been off for about 3 days. Turn it on today and start Sonar: Error: Windows has found a problem with Sonarplt and needs to close. Windows doesn't come back with a solution after looking and I click close on the error window. Sonar closes. I repeat this cycle and eventually Sonar's main screen opens with only partial graphics of my console showing on my 2nd monitor. When I click on the 2nd monitor I get a repeat of the error with Sonar crashing to the desktop. Sonar opens the Normal template by default which I've setup to my liking and has been working fine. When I open Sonar through double clicking a file name it opens fine 2nd screen included and I can manipulate screen elements with no difficulty or crashes. There's been no windows updates. I know because I have that set to notify me. I've changed no hardware either. Any ideas. Before this I have had and still do have some 2 nd monitor issues with respect to plugins. I can only show one plugin at a time on the 2nd monitor. It does not respect plugin recycle settings. While the first monitor does, allowing me to display as many plugins as I want. I've tried switching over monitors and still the same response. They are identical Acer 24" LCD connected via HDMI to my Quadra FX3800 card.
post edited by mudgel - 2015/04/12 23:21:32
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robert_e_bone
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 05:55:57
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☼ Best Answerby mudgel 2015/04/12 23:22:12
Sounds like the Normal template is corrupt in some fashion, or something within the customized version of it is having problems. There is probably a way to revert without uninstall/install, but if the issue is with something the Normal template is doing, why not just rename the current Normal.CWT file to something else, so you can save it for sending to Cakewalk, if needed/desired, and take any one of the other template files and copy it and rename the copy to Normal.cwt, to give you back a theoretically good template to open Sonar with. Then, you could make a new Normal template. As I said, there might be an easier way to reset stuff, but it's 5 something in the morning, and I have had zero coffee. :) Bob Bone
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 06:00:34
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Is there another way to connect them? I would avoid HDMI if I can. I have mine disabled.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 06:16:45
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Windows 7 has been giving me grief lately, one of the updates more or less screwed up my cd/dvd writer settings. Meaning I need third party software to burn any data now.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 06:38:00
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I run two monitors as well, with both X3 and Pltm. I noticed the last time I used Pltm that I could only view one plugin window at a time. When this happened I was near the end of my session so I did not think much of it until I read your post. I will investigate tonight.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 06:43:15
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I've got that nagging situation that it's been working and I've used this setup for a few years. My video card only has 2 Display Ports which can be converted to HDMI, that's it and it works fine with everything else and has been working fine all along.
The reason I had not previously mentioned the issue of plugins not being able to open multiple lugin windows n the 2nd monitor is because I've had the same behaviour for several versions and don't know when it came in. As I've evolved my current workflow it now has become obvious and annoying especially as we now have the ability to control recycle plugins. I specifically wanted to show multiple plugins on my second monitor.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 07:12:02
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TremoJem I run two monitors as well, with both X3 and Pltm. I noticed the last time I used Pltm that I could only view one plugin window at a time. When this happened I was near the end of my session so I did not think much of it until I read your post. I will investigate tonight.
That is a feature of Sonar 2015. If you look at the plugin window toward the right top you should see an icon of a pin. Click that and it will stay open.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 17:25:01
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John Is there another way to connect them? I would avoid HDMI if I can. I have mine disabled.
May I ask why? pls explain ...
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/08 18:02:24
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Well for what it's worth, windows updates have been an absolute bane of my life. Most troublesome problems can be traced back to updates and need a restore to sort them out. I use two monitors, one HDMI for X3 program control and a VGA for putting up the score sheets. So far no problems running that configuration.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/09 03:49:59
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There are 2 issues.
The plugin issue I'm not concerned about as its there also in at least X3. I'm not talking about Recycle plugin window which works on monitor 1 but not 2.
But the major concern is this 2 monitor crashing Sonar to the desktop on opening Sonar with the Sonar icon and showing normal template. Very disturbing as its happened between turning off PC when all had been working fine and no windows updates. Reread first post please..
I've yet to reconstruct my normal template and see if that helps.
Is anyone able to have their console and or Multidock open on a second monitor and show multiple plugins on that screen. After placing the open plugins on that screen can you then activate any of them and get back to all being visible. Obviously you will need to use Recycle plugin setting or hold ctrl while opening subsequent plugins.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/09 04:17:20
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☄ Helpfulby mudgel 2015/04/12 23:24:53
About the viewing multiple plugins on the second monitor. I tested this with my multidoc and console open on the second monitor. When opening the second plugin from the console view it does indeed stay open however it is behind the multidoc and so not visible. If I drag both plugins to the main monitor then they are both visible in front of the main program window. If I open the plugins from the inspector instead of the console view then both plugs remain visible on top of the console view. I think this has something to do with the modal nature of the multidoc. I also tried with the console view undocked and got the same result.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/09 05:06:26
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I happen to have my primary display set to an HDTV, and the Windows Default Audio Device is set to the HDMI for that TV, and has run like that with zero issues for nearly 3 years. I think if templates other than the Normal template are able to open without problems in Sonar, that it is likely some kind of corruption with the Normal template - which should be pretty easy to recreate, as there isn't much in the stock Normal project template. Sorry you are having troubles, in any case, and hope you can get them sorted out. Bob Bone
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/09 08:41:00
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Tom Riggs About the viewing multiple plugins on the second monitor. I tested this with my multidoc and console open on the second monitor. When opening the second plugin from the console view it does indeed stay open however it is behind the multidoc and so not visible. If I drag both plugins to the main monitor then they are both visible in front of the main program window. If I open the plugins from the inspector instead of the console view then both plugs remain visible on top of the console view. I think this has something to do with the modal nature of the multidoc. I also tried with the console view undocked and got the same result.
I can drag 10 plugins to the 2nd monitor but as soon as I select one say, to make a change in a parameter then all the others disappear. Having the console in the multidock or not doesn't make a difference. If I move the console out of the way the plugins are not there. If I move the plugins to the 2nd monitor with nothing else there then all the plugins remain there. It's very weird. More testing tomorrow. Goodnight and thanks for everyone's ideas.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/10 06:29:54
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John, thanks...I clicked the pin and it works. I don't like how you have to continue to tell Sonar you want to keep plugins open. I wish there was a global switch to keep all plugins open until you choose to close them.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/10 06:30:57
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Mudgel, sorry I did not have time to investigate your problems. Hopefully tonight.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/10 15:07:48
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That's OK. I didn't get a chance today either and have been up all night with a dose of insomnia. I feel wrecked so not up for some activity that requires logic to follow through. There's always tomorrow.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/11 10:27:15
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/11 23:29:12
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So back to my problem. Today I try to recreate my normal template from scratch. When Sonar has no normal template it opens with the track view showing and I Spector and Browser closed. As soon as I add the Console and open it bang, Sonar crashes. Repeated the recipe 5 consecutive times with same result. Clearly this is abnormal and not everyone is experiencing the same thing otherwise the forum would be lit up. I have a lot of troubleshooting to do but I'm still intrigued by this turn your computer off one day then turn it back on and Sonars console view and 2nd monitor display starts going crazy. The issue now is that symptoms are escalating all around display.
I think I'll concentrate my efforts on video, memory and hard drives. There must be some hardware failure slowly creeping in. I think I'll change out my video card to start with.
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/12 06:49:19
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So I've rebuilt my normal template and all is OK as far as crashing and instability of display goes. Plugins on 2nd screen issue still remains but I think unless you stretch your Sonar view across both monitors then the behaviour I have described is as designed. The plugins do in fact stay open behind the console or multidock window. Easy work around is to drag the Comsole over to the 2nd monitor in the Multidock then I came easily use D to open and close the window revealing the plugins behind. It actually provides flexibility not previously there esp now that we have Plugin Recycle window which allows multiple plugins open at the one time. Along with Screensets this is a very powerful way of manipulating views. Who'd a thought. What started off as a problem turns out to give me more options. OPTIONS! Great just what I need, more choices. Sheesh!
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Re: 2nd monitor problem/s
2015/04/13 06:36:23
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