guigz2000
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32 and 64 bits plugins?
Is it possible to be able to use both the 32 bits and 64 bits versions of a plugin in sonar X3 producer?
When I scan,only the 64 bit version become available.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/24 19:41:35
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Are you trying to use 32 and 64-bit versions of the same plugin? If so, I'm curious as to why?
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/24 21:26:11
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 00:16:05
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There is a scan setting that allows VST 2 plugins to be substituted by VST 3 if you choose.
Add to that Sonar x64's default behaviour is to only make the 64bit version available if both 32 bit and 64 bit are detected. There is no advantage to having both 32 and 64 bit versions of the same plugin. In fact there is likely to be problems as a 32 bit plugin in a 64 bit host has to use what's called a Bitbridge to accomplish this.
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guigz2000
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 03:46:59
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Actually I want to use DDMF Metaplugin or VstForx.
They are chainers and only manage either x64,either x86...not both.
So by being able to use both, I can launch either the x64 or x86 version depending on my need to use my legacy x86 plugins..
I think I'll have to try Jbridge
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 04:48:21
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It would be neat to have those routing options in Sonars fx chains.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 05:38:20
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beltrom
It would be neat to have those routing options in Sonars fx chains.
Yep...I sent Cakewalk a feature request...But I don't think they'll do it...
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 06:37:05
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guigz2000
beltrom
It would be neat to have those routing options in Sonars fx chains.
Yep...I sent Cakewalk a feature request...But I don't think they'll do it...
I sent one in as well...
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 12:28:42
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Are you not able to swap out the the 32 bit version of the desired plugin in your legacy projects? Another way that might work if you need both is to rename one.
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guigz2000
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 13:51:35
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Problem is that VST scanner does not display both x64 and x86 versions of the same plugin. Just the x64 version is displayed.
Moreover, it's not for opening old projects, it's to use them in a new one.
Some of my plugins are x86 only(no x64 available) and they do not open in vstforx x64. They will open in vstforx x86. SO I need to use VstForx x86.
I think it will be simpler if I use jBridge and convert all my x86 plugs..
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 14:39:18
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OK. Sorry for the misunderstanding It sounded to some of us like you wanted to use 32 bit and 64 bit version of the exact same plugin.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/25 23:17:29
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Why use a 3rd party chained when Sonar can already do that. Make fx chains that is.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/26 02:41:44
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Why use a 3rd party chained when Sonar can already do that. Make fx chains that is.
They are not linear chain tools, rather network tools with their own controls of volume, panning, dry/wet etc ... I've just seen Sonar's fx chains as an easy way to link several fx plugins into one, displaying and automating preferred controls. But there might be something that I don't know or realize about them, so if there's a way to do this with fx chains please let me know how! http://www.vstforx.de/index.php/product-detailshttp://www.ddmf.eu/product.php?id=3 You can probably achieve at least some of this with a clever setup and using f.e. sends and buses. There's also sidechaining and some plugins with multiple parts have some routing internally that solves it in those particular cases. But as I see it not even these combined give this flexibility and simplicity. In this format it also goes into the creative area, not just problem solving. By the way, if we could just "split" the signal in the beginning of an fx chain and it was summed in the end of it a lot of this could be achieved. Especially if we could use fx chains inside fx chains.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/26 04:03:44
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Why use a 3rd party chained when Sonar can already do that. Make fx chains that is.
Well if you tell me how I can do parallel processings with the fx chain,I'll gladly use it.. An example: I want to have 3 bands treatment on a Bass. The low with just a compressor, the middle with a distortion and a compressor, and the high with another distortion and maybe a flanger and of course a third compressor. The 3 compressors are sidechained with my kick track. One last thing is I want to add an automated delay on just the right channel. This kind of thing is simple to do with those "3rd party plugins".Can you do this with FxChains? I sent cake walk a feature request to get a modular FxChain, but I don't think they'll do it.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/26 04:43:50
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Iv just looked at the website you linked to. Interesting for sure.
Also noticed that VstForx is only 32 bit at the moment with a request for 64 bit version being shown. That means it's currently being loaded by Bitbridge in Sonar x64. Is VstForx loading your 32 or 64 bit plugins?
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/26 04:51:55
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vstforx is now x64.
But, x64 loads only x64 and x86 only x86...The reason of the post...
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/26 05:26:50
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Yeh I just found the updated information on the blog regarding 64 bit. It sounds in the info that the 64 bit version should load both 32 and 64 bit but I guess your saying it doesn't.
JBridge allows you to process plugins so that they appear as 64 bit and renames them. Do that rather than set Sonar to use jBridge by default. I would put all the 32 bit plugs that you want to use in a single folder and then have jBridge process them and then put that folder into Sonars VST scanners path.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/26 05:43:18
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That's what I intend to do..
Hope I won't get weird jBridge things with my plugs.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/10/26 06:19:14
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If you have jBridge process the plugins, it will create copies of them, leaving your originals alone.
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Re: 32 and 64 bits plugins?
2013/11/03 07:01:32
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That's what I intend to do..
Hope I won't get weird jBridge things with my plugs.
A bit curious - how has jBridge worked out? By the way - the reason for Cakewalk not finding the 32-bit is very probably that they have the same VSTID. So the right way to go about it (in the rare case when both versions are needed) would be to ask the plugin developer to use different id's. Failing this you could possibly use what's under "ID Hacking" at this link: http://www.soundonsound.c...icles/pcnotes_1107.htm It is risky so don't do it unless you both know what you're doing and feel that it's worth it. Note that you might have to search the id reversed, instead of f e "Plug" you use "gulP" - it's mentioned but easy to miss. Edit: It would of course be nice if it was possible to make Sonar accept 32/64-bit with the same id and might be worth a feature request. As far as I know there's no way to make that happen within Sonar right now, if someone knows differently please chime in. It is a fair rule I guess, id's should be unique. As this is also probably a rare case, question is if it's worth the Bakers effort though.
post edited by beltrom - 2013/11/03 07:47:36
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