64 bit really Matters..

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2011/10/28 11:47:40 (permalink)

64 bit really Matters..

As Freddy would say 64 bit matters..
 Ever since I upgraded my computer to 64 bit.  I have not experienced any crashing maybe a few bugs , and some minor issues, BUT Sonar X1 is 99.9 % stable for mein 64 bit mode.  In 32 bit I have had crashing and some weird behavior.  In fact it was annoying to use Sonar it was like 1 step forward then 2 steps back..
 As far as Expanded goes I must say I am a fan of a few new features, Drag and drop in the media browser just makes sense, Replacement of synths siick.and the whole add on module thing is Nuts... 
 Fx chains is my least favorite feature, I'm about making music not fiddling with skins and a window of knobs that have to be controlled from the plugin itself. I feel that the fx chains are cool to look at but seriously a waste of time to set up.. if those knobs were as easy as right clicking and adding it to a midi learn per focus would then save time .. Al in all Expanded is working awesome for me...  The soft tube module is sweet.. although not a fan of the gate though.. 
 So once again I believe Freddy was correct when saying 64 bit really matters..

 My only main issue is previewing loops in the media browser , when the browser is open and you preview loops,  effects on tracks play out of sync.. if you collapse the browser all is good.. Note this happens when the project starts to get complicated .. I reported it but no response . Hope someone a CW looks into this.. OH My most wanted fix update has to be seemless audio.. I hate those pauses when adjusting a parameter in real time..  SO amateurish when you have people in the studio.. PLS CW do something soon.
 
 

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    ba_midi
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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 12:12:56 (permalink)
    FWIW, I personally don't think it's the "Magic of going 64 bit" that makes a difference to someone having trouble with X1.  I think it is a matter of some combination of things (incompatible components, bad drivers, bad system file, incompatible DLLs, corrupt DLLs, and I could go on and on).

    Making ANY change might have alleviated the crashes.  I don't know if you put in a new system or just upgraded your current system (ie, more memory, new OS, etc).

    But it concerns me to see people propagate this theory that going 64 bit is somehow a magical solution to a myriad of "problems."

    There are plenty examples of problems on 64bit systems so that obviously isn't the real solution; though it is possible X1/A/B/C likes 64bit systems more (we can't know for sure).

    However, John, I think it's great you're finding stability now (maybe it was "Expanded" that did it, as it has for ME!), and I wish you many many wonderful music making moments.

    I know the crashing and other problems were driving me nuts with X1 and now Expanded seems to have solved that for me (without going 64bit lol). 

    So enjoy!


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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 12:19:02 (permalink)
    DJ - have you tried some of the FX chains 2.0 presets though? There are some nice 'starting points' that you can then tweak to your own taste. I have to admit that like you though, I have very little spare time to create my own.
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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 12:23:53 (permalink)
    To add to my comments ...

    I DO intend to go to 64bit (am slowly starting the process already), but not because of any other reason than the actual benefits of "more RAM" and any other actual 'OS' benefits.

    So I don't want it to seem that I think there are NO benefits to 64bit setups.  I just don't think it's a solution unto itself.


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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 13:28:27 (permalink)
    Hey Billy the only thing that I have done different with my system was add an SSD with 64 bit OS home edition. I still have my old configuration on another HD,, which I haven't loaded up since the 64 bit install. What it could be is a few .dll's that I didn't install such as Catanya and maybe one or two others, I had reformated my old Hd with just 32bit and was still having major issues , But that was before x1c.. So your probably correct going to 64 bit isn't the magic solution.. BUT for me its night and day.. as Far as expanded I didn't see anything different accept the loss of Aim assist, and those cool new features that were added.. .. Hey Daryl I do like some of those presets totally wicked , but 80% of them load with a blank window and no knobs/faders ,So I gave up on them . Plus plugins like my mod filter has no presets , I lost alot of them when I went to 64 bit, I have no reason as to why but there not there..

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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 13:36:16 (permalink)
    what functions cause playback to pause?       other thanp preferences, i cant think of any.                 also, i have been on 32bit with no serious issues since X1a.     one of the reasons i havent gone to 64 is to preserve the great performance ive been having.   just lucky, i guess.         i havent gotten expanded yet- no reason, just been busy ::)
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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 13:42:08 (permalink)
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    what functions cause playback to pause?       other thanp preferences, i cant think of any.                 also, i have been on 32bit with no serious issues since X1a.     one of the reasons i havent gone to 64 is to preserve the great performance ive been having.   just lucky, i guess.         i havent gotten expanded yet- no reason, just been busy ::)


    Like you - I haven't gone 64bit (fully) yet either.   My main system generally rocks.  X1 initally was a nightmare for me and now is stable (for the most part).  So again, things are rockin' - even at 32bit.

    AND, I use BIG synths like Omnisphere, Trilian and others, at once in a project, and don't have to bounce to save CPU except on VERY rare occasion (large project).  So the whole rush to 64bit was never as enticing to me.

    I do understand that there are and will be some benefits, of course.  It just has not been a "must have" yet.  It's the marketplace somewhat forcing everyone into the 64bit world that pushes me more than having some need to do so with my DAW setup.




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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 13:48:24 (permalink)
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      I have not experienced any crashing maybe a few bugs , and some minor issues, BUT Sonar X1 is 99.9 % stable for mein 64 bit mode.



    Can you load a project that uses over 4Gb RAM and still use V-Vocal?
    I can't, it crashes every time.
    :-(


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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 13:49:21 (permalink)
    what functions cause playback to pause? other thanp preferences, i cant think of any. also, i have been on 32bit with no serious issues since X1a. one of the reasons i havent gone to 64 is to preserve the great performance ive been having. just lucky, i guess. i havent gotten expanded yet- no reason, just been busy ::) : : : When ever using plugins such as Z8ta I get a pause if I tweak a knob, there's a number of things that cause this behavior. I'm one for if it works dont fix it... I went to 64 bit just cause I was having a hell of a time with 32 bit.. Who knows perhaps my system and 32bit didn't get along..Now Im in a good place.. Drag and drop is my fav feature for expanded..

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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 13:52:24 (permalink)
    I never passed 3 gigs of ram usage yet.. So Twigman I have not had those issues..
    post edited by djjhart@aol.com - 2011/10/28 13:58:50

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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 15:24:22 (permalink)
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    djjhart@aol.com

    I have not experienced any crashing maybe a few bugs , and some minor issues, BUT Sonar X1 is 99.9 % stable for mein 64 bit mode.



    Can you load a project that uses over 4Gb RAM and still use V-Vocal?
    I can't, it crashes every time.
    :-(
    Hi Twigman,
    FWIW, that doesn't happen for me.  Just tried it with a project that uses about 5GB and it seems to work fine here. In fact, I routinely go well beyond 4 GB and I'm generally stable. IK's Amplitube (3.7 x64) plug sometimes causes me problems, but that's about it.




    Good luck
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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 15:26:17 (permalink)
    DJ - if a lot of them don't load they must be in a different folder somewhere - they're worth tracking down.
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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/28 16:46:05 (permalink)
    It really depends on what you do. My entire workflow with composing depends on opening a LOT of sample libraries at once - easily exceeding 6 gigs of RAM. Now, as of X1b, I start having stability issues when I pass 5 gigs anyway. I just upgraded to X1c so we'll see. Not only that, but my 6-core system behaves much better in 64-bit. I have both 32-bit and 64-bit Sonar installed, and in 32-bit the core allocation (or whatever the term is) seems to be a wonkier and "thicker" in 32-bit.

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    Re:64 bit really Matters.. 2011/10/31 05:42:26 (permalink)
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    Twigman


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    I have not experienced any crashing maybe a few bugs , and some minor issues, BUT Sonar X1 is 99.9 % stable for mein 64 bit mode.



    Can you load a project that uses over 4Gb RAM and still use V-Vocal?
    I can't, it crashes every time.
    :-(
    Hi Twigman,
    FWIW, that doesn't happen for me.  Just tried it with a project that uses about 5GB and it seems to work fine here. In fact, I routinely go well beyond 4 GB and I'm generally stable. IK's Amplitube (3.7 x64) plug sometimes causes me problems, but that's about it.




    Good luck
    Dean


    Really?
    Happens to me every time when projects hit around 4Gb and upwards.
    Cakewalk managed to replicate my problem several months ago but have not yet released my hoped for fix.
    I just can't use V-Vocal at all.
    What is different about your system, I wonder?

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