$700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy?

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2013/09/02 23:26:50 (permalink)

$700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy?

Ok, I came across this article/review when checking out feedback on the release on Reaper 4.5:  http://www.audiostream.com/content/usb-cable-shootout
 
Now tell me that only digital info is crossing over a USB cable and not "audio".  It's all digital so how the hell can digital conversion be affected by a 1 meter USB cable?  It's all in the converters, right?  Can you really hear an audible difference from one USB cable to another?
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 07:02:30 (permalink)
    Typical "audiophile".  I'm not saying everything the audiophile's subscribe to is bunk, but a lot of it is.

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 07:44:33 (permalink)
    utter nonsense. The USB cable is for digital data, not audio.......digital is digital...... not until it gets converted into audio is it something you hear. Until that conversion it is a series of square wave pulses ...... simple on or off voltages...... nothing more.
     
    Spending $500+ for a 3 foot USB cable for data is ridiculous. Go to Staples or Office Depot and buy one off the shelf for $30 that is 15 feet long and it will work perfectly in any DAW to transfer data around the studio.

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 08:58:26 (permalink)

    am I the one that's crazy?

    Only if you buy one!
     

     
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 10:21:09 (permalink)
    The scary thing is there are "people" who will buy into that. Male/ has high paying job/ single and wants the best of it all. 

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 11:45:29 (permalink)
    1. Some people will believe any sort of nonsense that marketing people tell them (often corroborated by accompanying magazine/web articles). They are not technically minded enough to be able to tell the difference between techno-speak nonsense and physics, so they tend to believe stuff if it can be made to sound plausible to them.
     
    2. Because for some reason they have a strong emotional desire to believe in such things, they will automatically reject any educated arguments explaining why whatever it is couldn't make a difference, the supposed differences can't be measured (or when measured are far below the threshold of being audible) and the fact that differences are only "heard" during sighted testing.
     
     
    Surprisingly many people here, who you would think should know better, behave exactly the same way when confronted with something that sounds plausible to them but they don't fully understand. You can tell them why it's fairly easy to prove that it's bogus marketing, but it doesn't even move their needle to introduce even a tiny bit of doubt in their minds. 

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 12:17:01 (permalink)
    "A $100 Apogee cable will make as much difference as a $3,000 D-A converter"
    - World-famous mastering engineer / nutjob John Vestman
    http://www.johnvestman.com/studio_monitor_madness.htm
     
     


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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 13:21:08 (permalink)
    Heh,
     
    Anybody that tells you they can hear 'jitter' on a USB is clearly full of it - USB doesn't use a synchronous protocol, for that matter, neither does Firewire... isochronous may be time coherent, but it isn't phase coherent...
     
    'Squarer' waves... what a load...

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 16:22:30 (permalink)
    Thanks, everyone!  Whew, I feared I would have to rethink everything.  Actually, I was expecting a unanimous, "What planet are you from?" kind of response.  It feels good to know I am not out in left field on this one.
     
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 19:34:30 (permalink)
    I'll sell you my USB cable for just $699.

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 19:42:19 (permalink)
    I'll take it - at 110% off.. Just mail me a check for $70 bucks and we'll call it even.
     
     

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 19:50:49 (permalink)
    If you told "audiophiles" that their hi-fi would sound better if they listened to it while standing on their head in a plastic bucket of cold cat sick 23% of them would believe you.
     
    If you then told them that for the "true audiophile experience" the bucket had to be gold-lined, silver plated and "electrostatically hyper-charged" by an AAA battery connected by "rare earth metal" cable to concentrate the woo, and that the whole assembly could be theirs for a "mere" $2,499.99 the number of believers would triple and you'd get rave reviews in the audiophile comics.
     
    Some people are immune to logic, fact or common sense.

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 20:11:15 (permalink)
    Don't forget a good power chord.  If your IEC cable isn't diamond coated or Kevlar reinforced, you audio will suffer.  Anything below $300/ft is junk.  
     
    Also keep in mind that the slower your hard drive spins the less accurate your data playback will be.  50,000rpm drives are a necessity for quality audio storage.
     
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 21:14:38 (permalink)
    Blind A/B testing is like cage-night at the WWF - everybody's gonna get the snot knocked outta them and us viewers all get entertained.

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/03 23:59:13 (permalink)
    If you want to impress the audiophile market with your music, just mix in the occasional truck driving by or a dog barking... 

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/04 01:33:47 (permalink)
    I should sell cables instead of going to work every day. What a waste.
     
    There is a difference between poor quality and good quality - especially at high frequencies. Try a bad, long HDMI cable, and you will see the error rate as flickering pixels.
    Even a 1.5 m USB cable for $100 would be complete nonsense.
     
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/04 05:08:29 (permalink)
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    The scary thing is there are "people" who will buy into that. Male/ has high paying job/ single and wants the best of it all. 


    I know of at least a couple of people like this - but you can't tell them anything!
     
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/04 07:13:18 (permalink)
    The latest "in thing" in Nashville is the Little Walter amps.  $2500 for a 50 watt head.  From what I gather on other forums its not much more than the generic amplifier circuit in the RCA tube manual.  But he uses $20 (each) "audiophile" capacitors.

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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/04 14:24:03 (permalink)
    Are the cables better? Yes!
    But are they worth it?
    No!
     
    If you could hear the difference when everyone else thinks they have the better ears to do that with in the first place.
     
    But then, people with money to burn may just do that (well at least a male)!

     
    The fact the manufacturer came out with the cable in the first place, means that there are people who will buy it.
     
    Feed the ego, feed the ego, feed the ego, I suppose!
     

     
     
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/05 12:55:30 (permalink)
    It's all relative. We mock those with more money than sense for buying $300 power cables, but spend some time in a truly impoverished country and you'll start to think about your own purchases that may strike others as laughable excess. Think disposable diapers, non-recyclable containers, off-road vehicles that never leave pavement, doggie hairdressers, 80" flatscreen TVs, garage-door and gate openers, $3 bottles of water, hand-clap sample libraries.


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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/06 03:58:31 (permalink)
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    How about this one:
     

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    Most of the time Digidesign people disclaim that anything sounds different in Pro Tools when it comes to alternate busses, master fader, summing in the box vs. out of the box, etc.  Another Grammy-winning engineer showed us the difference in sound without the master fader - we did not expect it!

    We're not computer programmers, and we can only guess that it requires more processor power to have the master fader in.  Taking the master fader out in Digital Performer makes a big difference, as does turning off graphic features like the meter display in the virtual mixer.  It just seems that there's some kind of processor "headroom" that's desireable. 

    Forget what we're saying here - try it yourself and see what works best for you.  It helps a great deal if you have high resolution audio, speaker and power cables, and of course high resolution monitor control.  It makes a big difference if you have high resolution speakers that are full range, and usually not powered speakers (the vibration takes away some resolution in the image).


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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/06 09:03:58 (permalink)
    This is some funny stuff.....
     
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    1. Some people will believe any sort of nonsense that marketing people tell them (often corroborated by accompanying magazine/web articles).  




    The magazine with the story hyping the cables also tends to have several full page 4 color ads for those cables immediately before the so-called "unbiased story".......
     
    and....
     
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/12 05:14:06 (permalink)
    There is a huge difference between processing /converting signals and digitally transporting them. The cable quality addresses only the transportation of the digital information (0's and 1's or high voltage and low voltage square wave pulses). As long as the cable impedance and the junction potential of its terminals keep the high voltage pulses safely over the defined threshold, then no audible difference will be noticed regardlessof the cable cost. There are many low cost cables that will fulfill this requirement. As a rule of thumb, be careful with cable length, because cable impedance increases with it and signal voltages will be attenuated as its result. 
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    Re: $700 USB cable for audio...am I the one that's crazy? 2013/09/12 11:38:56 (permalink)
    Using DAW technology we are used to understanding the nature of digital signal transfer and the points of isolation between the digital world and the analog world. But the less technical might be easily convinced of sneak paths for signal-degrading electrical disruptions that can travel along or be induced within even a USB cable. The disruptions can crawl through the listener's equipment into their ears by every means imaginable. Someone here posted this a while back. Fun to read; fun to imagine what people can believe.
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