Yes, expansion with another interface is what I'm refering too. So if your existing ASIO interface has the I/O's to accept 8 more inputs via ADAT for example, you could chain the V700r to that interface and expand your channel count? The 8 analog inputs on the V 700r would then be available through the ADAT link?

That could work if the V700 has the capability to send its analog ins to the adat out, but Im unsure if thats how it works. Im pretty sure the adat I/O on the V700 will be to add another 8channel unit like the Presonus digimax or similar 8ch adat capable unit. I know you own the Motu 2408mk3 (I do as well) and you cannot route the analog inputs directly to the adat out on it either. If your serious about picking up the V700 i would suggest selling the Motu and using that money to buy an 8ch adat unit, which will give you 16 analog inputs on the v700. It will also eliminate the need for 2 interfaces.

The Motu 2408mk3/PCI-424 system allows for 48 simultaneous 24/96 inputs.... how does that compare to system built around V-studio(s)?

What the hell does that have to do with my response to CRG. Besides to get that many 24/96 inputs wouldnt you need 3 or 4 2408's plus a couple SMUX capable adat units? CRG wants to use the v700 with the 2408 via adat, which I dont think will work like hes expecting, so I suggested selling the Motu and sticking to 1 interface and add an 8ch adat capable I/O unit.

How many simultaneous... clocked (and synched) 24/96 inputs can you get into a V-studio system?

Well this is a guess but, if the V700 allows for SMUX connection you would have 16 analog inputs at 24/96. If it does not allow for SMUX you will get 12. These numbers may be wrong depending on how the individual input on the control surface that Brandon brought to my attention works. Obviously these numbers will double using 2 v700's together.

Mike,

I might be wrong, but from what I remember from all the threads is that all the inputs/outputs for 2 V700s work at once over the USB. And all you need to hook up the V700s interfaces is the USB cable - the controller uses a different connector to one v700s.

I havent' heard if the adat is SMUX - hopefully it is.

I'm sure Seth or somebody will jump in if this ain't true.

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Hi AT,

Is it possible sync two clocks over usb? Or do you need to tie everything together with an external clock?

best,
mike

ORIGINAL: Crg

Hey Lay In Wait, You're a total dickhead. You've misconstrued and confused everything I've said in this thread. Your constant personal attacks and attempts at inflaming these discusions into arguerments is obvious. Rather go into a protracted arguement with you over semantics and what I said, do me and the others here a favor and do not replie to my posts anymore. Are you confused or attempting to confuse? You must be a Troll.

What! I was actually trying to help. Total dickhead and a troll, whatever you say.

Mike,

from what I remember from one of these many threads Seth or someone in the know sez that one usb cable rules them all. I don't think the V700 etc. have wordclock, which is funny seeing how it is supposed to buddy up with video. It is supposed to work with Roland/Eridol video stuff, but I can't see how it is synced. Maybe some kind of closed-loop, proprietory Roland thing. But for audio, USB is supposed to do it all. Clock must be carried on the digital i/o's, but whether you can set the 700 to follow or it must be the master is something we'll know in the future. Seth said they were doing another tour in March - I think - hopefully we'll know more then.

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ORIGINAL: AT
I don't think the V700 etc. have wordclock, which is funny seeing how it is supposed to buddy up with video.

It does have word-clock either via BNC connectors or through digital I/O.

Actually I was hoping to set up a complete studio around Sonar at some point. to have an incredible 64 bit end to end system with great preamps compressors and effects matched with simple yet powerful hardware interface designed to improve the creative experience without requiring me to be a techno wonk I have become getting it to just work so I can start recording and mixing and finishing songs. Currently I use a vs2480 for the field. I can mix a live event provide monitor mixes and recording with one device. I shudder at having to learn how to mix a finished product in the roland box . I love using sonar so I spend the better part of a day exorting the wave files by CDRS and then editing. I then burn a quick mix and can use it in other stuido to get the lead for another artist and after comping the best takes in sonar reuploading the song to record the drums and such. it is time consuming. I would much rather use an allen and heath mixer and capture the events to sonar rather than dragging my vs2480 around. So I don't have the bucks it doesn't stop myu desire an dwill to fiund a way to get the job done. With quality.
My hopes is that this will not be the first and only attempt at integrattion. Do you think you can integrate a rac system with the vs2480 you would have many many more inputs that way?

You can take an interactive tour the back of the rack unit here.

http://www.sonarvstudio.com/tour.php

Thanks Brandon and Seth. Hopefully that answers a lot of the hanging chad questions around here.

Look forward to seeing one in action - the v-700 tour is still a go, ain't it thunderbirds?

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WOW I have never had so many replies to one of my posts, I feel so special. I should have been more clear at the beggining. the unit comes out of the box with 8 analog inputs, im just saying I would have bought this in a heart beat if it had 16 and I didn't have to spend twice as much buying another v-700 to make it 16. gosh even 12 would have made this a no brainer for me to buy. maybe I am complaining because im sick of the cable cluster. i just want to go from Mic-Preamp-one AD/DA-comp.

I agree having 16 inputs built in would have sold it for me as well. I kind of get the adat thingy with another mic pre deck.
Is there a quality yet affordable 8 mic pre's that has been tested out with the v700 yet. I don't like being the stunt man and jump to find out there is no net!?!?

I am assuming you can route all of teh outs independant through sonar. So if I was recording an entire band with orcetra i could have 8 or more mixes. If I was insane enough to allow that!

anyone got an opinion on how this would work with a reac system. So you could do the entire live recording digitally. i'm thinking I probably would still rather use an allen and heath board and patch off the direct outs for the recording?

Jerry

ORIGINAL: jerry@macwood.com

I agree having 16 inputs built in would have sold it for me as well. I kind of get the adat thingy with another mic pre deck.
Is there a quality yet affordable 8 mic pre's that has been tested out with the v700 yet. I don't like being the stunt man and jump to find out there is no net!?!?

I am assuming you can route all of teh outs independant through sonar. So if I was recording an entire band with orcetra i could have 8 or more mixes. If I was insane enough to allow that!

anyone got an opinion on how this would work with a reac system. So you could do the entire live recording digitally. i'm thinking I probably would still rather use an allen and heath board and patch off the direct outs for the recording?

Jerry

Jerry, there are all sorts of ADAT things. Basically, it is one cable to hook up the 8 ins and another for the 8 outs. It is pretty idiot proof, tho you have to set the clock rates the same.

Behringer makes an input device cheap that supposedly sounds quite good and has preamps, I believe for a couple of hundred bucks. It only goes up to 48 khz, tho. PreSonus makes 2 different stand alone preamps to adat - the more expensive one sounds pretty good - haven't heard the new/cheaper one. Focusrite makes a 4 preamp ISA unit with ADAt (you can add another 4 preamps, too). You could use it with an Orpheus, if you have an xtra 5 grand laying around.

Or, if you are like me you might have an older interface laying around. I have a PreSonus Firestation that you can set the analog i/o to go to the adat i/o. I would hook that up to the v700 via two cables and most likely use it for recording a band. It would add 8 inputs.

Jerry using an external ADAT 8 is actually prefereable to many of us. Why, becuase often teh stock preamps in a soundcard are not the best or because of other USP that 8 pre ADATs peramps have.

Good example I use the Focusrite Octepre.

In this unit, each individual preamp has its own discrete power supply, and its own deicrete compressor. Plus it has a better gain structure, how many soundcard with built in preamps over the years do you find yourself having to wind up teh wick to nearly 9 or 10 to get usable signal, with teh focusrite you get it at anywhere from 2 to 8. THis is massvely beneficial.

In addition the compressors are great when your recording drums, because you can put a little bit on say the kick and the snare to calm them down and prevent clipping, this means you can get very good and strong recording levels. You can still add more compression later, here I use them as a safety net, not an effect.

So with my set up I can easily record a full band ( and have listen to the recordings in my signature whcih were done with my Octepre, we did the tracking live, and then later overdubbed vocals and harmonies)

Jerry hope that helsp, oh and ADAT is 2 extra cables, its not a chore really given the advantage it gives you.

One final thing on the PT vs Sonar hardware debate.

The best band for buck interface out there at the moment is the M-Audio Profire, its offer 2x ADAt in for a total of 24 Inputs to SOnar if combined with 2x Octepre (or other ADAT) or 16 inputs to PT M-POwered becuase the numpties limited M-POwered to 16 simultaneous inputs.

Another card to look at is the 828 Mk3 which has the added advantage of effets on your direct monitors, so you can direct monitor while tracking but still put Reverb etc on to help out he vocalists, these effects run ont he onboard DSp of teh Soundcard so Sonar is not effected, meaning your recordings will be solid, and you get hte benefits of Dierct monitoring and no latency.

I will say again I really do think cake shoudl offer the control surface sepeartely.

My ideal setup for recording live and in studio would be.

Sonar v700 Console
M-Audio Profire 26 or Motu 828 mk3
2x Octepre
Mackie MCU ( I would keep this to control the Direct Monitoring Mix on the soundcards, and use the V700 to control Sonar) Heaven.

G

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i was actually hoping you guys would do a version of the v-700

...with a plug-in triton 88-key weighted stage-performance keyboard built into a blue tooth mouse
and 800 stereo blackburst rca inputs...

...and 14 firecode 53-bit zero-latency mexican jumping beans on the 2-bus...

...oh, and i'll also need a 360 degree 20-camera-angle virtual tour of gene simmons
mixing hanz zimmer's latest film on the v-700 - posted to an open source .pdf in 50 languages...

...by tomorrow...

but that's just me...