tarsier
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88 Unweighted Keys?
Are there any MIDI keyboard controllers out there with 88 Unweighted keys? I'm not a piano player, and I don't like weighted keys. I've got some sample libraries that would be a lot simpler to use with a full 88 key controller. Keyswitching and all that. I've come across the M-Audio Keystation 88es but it's described as semi-weighted. How semi is that? It also lacks knobs and sliders which would be useful. So is there anything? Or how about 72 keys? Am I stuck with 61 keys?
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 15:30:27
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semi-weighted is closer to a piano feel than it is to a synth feel. you probably wouldn't want it either from what you're describing. I'm not aware of any keyboards with 88 keys which are synth feel only. I think you have to move down to 76 key for that. there are plenty of 76 key synth keys, tho. you said "keyboard controller" - are you wanting just a MIDI controller or are you wanting a keyboard, or does that not matter as much as the key action?
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 15:37:02
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tarsier Are there any MIDI keyboard controllers out there with 88 Unweighted keys? I'm not a piano player, and I don't like weighted keys. I've got some sample libraries that would be a lot simpler to use with a full 88 key controller. Keyswitching and all that. I've come across the M-Audio Keystation 88es but it's described as semi-weighted. How semi is that? It also lacks knobs and sliders which would be useful. So is there anything? Or how about 72 keys? Am I stuck with 61 keys? I don't know of any, I know it is hard to do some parts (like Hammond Rock Organ) on weighted keys. Even doing drums it can throw your timing off.
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tarsier
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 15:38:22
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To Beagle: I don't want sounds, if that's what you mean. Just a controller 88 black and whites, with some knobs and sliders to send midi controller data. The Edirol PCR-800 looks great, except that it only has 61 keys. I have the old classic Yamaha KX88 and I've decided I just don't like the feel.
post edited by tarsier - 2010/07/01 15:39:50
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 15:50:50
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 15:53:17
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ps - I see 76 key synth keyboards from casio, radio shack, etc on craigslist all the time. they're used and the sounds on those things are horrid, but if all you're using is the controller, then they might work fine.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 16:09:54
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I'd say that 88 keys are meant for piano fans, so they won't make them light, and more keys cost more money, so they don't have much market as for soft synths players. However, many of the lesser keyed ones do have the octave shift button, so they add even more than one octave. For composition that's probably OK, but maybe not too well for players, but I suppose anything can be managed. So, it also seems to me that it'd be hard to find what you are after, tarsier.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 16:21:01
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How semi is that? It also lacks knobs and sliders which would be useful. So is there anything? Or how about 72 keys? Am I stuck with 61 keys? That's probably the closest you'll get to your requirements (everything else is weighted keys)... But the keybed feels really "cheap" to me... and it doesn't have aftertouch (may or may not be an issue). IMO, The world is ready for a good series a top-notch MIDI controllers. Most are too small and too cheap (IMO) It's hard to find a good 76-key controller... let alone a good 88-key (unweighted) controller. I'd like to have the keybed and controllers from a M3-73, Fantom G7, or Motif XS7. Any of those would be great. It's hard to justify spending $3k on a keyboard workstation... using it strickly as a MIDI controller.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 18:31:20
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Try looking around for an old 76 key synth. It'll probably be a workstation, like a Triton or early Fantom or K2500 or something, but you might be able to find something a for a few hundred dollars because it's no longer the latest and greatest. It would probably have an aftertouch keyboard and several controllers/wheels, pedal inputs, etc. Check your local craigslist and pawn shops or ask at your local music store if they know of any leads for used gear.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 19:03:50
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You wanna sell that KX88? Ill buy it from you, or trade you. I have a 6 month old M-audio Keystation Pro, it's semi- weighted, but it has 88 keys. Not as heavy as the Yamaha.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 20:38:12
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I also seek what you want. The perfect solution would be if Cakewalk/Roland make an 88 key version of their new controllers- As of now, what you want is what I want, and it doesnt exist.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/01 20:40:03
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 10:38:58
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You wanna sell that KX88? Sorry, no. My Immortal Beloved is a piano player and likes it too much.
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tarsier
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 10:44:04
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The perfect solution would be if Cakewalk/Roland make an 88 key version of their new controllers Yep, I'm really liking the new PCR stuff with their sliders, knobs and pads. I might go for a PCR-500 (49 keys) and some other cheapie 49 key controller and do a dual manual overlapping setup...
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tarsier
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 10:48:33
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So I did another google search for 88 unweighted keys and this thread came up third. But notice the last post date. What's up with that?
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 11:02:30
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You have just entered...........the Twilight Zone
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 14:58:35
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This one might be worth a try- This factory restock price is really nice as well- http://keyboards-midi.mus...om/product?sku=702724V Have you ever used a CME controller? I had a VX7 for a day... Looked nice from a distance... otherwise it was a disaster. Keybed felt cheap, pitch/mod wheels felt cheap, ribbon controller felt cheap, aftertouch always transmitted on MIDI channel 2 (no matter what MIDI channel was selected - Bejing support said that was normal behavior), the unit smelled like burning electronics, and the aftertouch was ultra (ridiculously) sensitive even after adjustment. Playing an acoustic guitar patch (where aftertouch imparts minor pitch bends) would sound like "Bo-ing, Bo-ing, Bo-ing" because you couldn't avoid triggering the aftertouch... no matter how lite the touch. The market needs a top-quality 76/88-key MIDI controller. Roland, Yamaha, and even Kawai have made them in the past. How about a reissue of the A90? With the proliferation of soft-synths, you'd think some company would jump on this.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 15:31:39
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The market needs a top-quality 76/88-key MIDI controller. Roland, Yamaha, and even Kawai have made them in the past. How about a reissue of the A90? With the proliferation of soft-synths, you'd think some company would jump on this. I wish yamaha and/or roland would make a 76 key version of their synths - not the top line sequencers - they do make those, but i'm talking about a 76 key MO or MM (yamaha) or 76 key Juno or similar. If they had a yamaha MO7 I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 15:35:55
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With the proliferation of soft-synths, you'd think some company would jump on this. Man, you said it! I wish somebody would. I have the M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, but it has weighted keys.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 15:45:30
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or 76 key Juno Juno Stage is ~$1300... but it lacks aftertouch. Does have a D-beam... which somewhat mitigates the lack of aftertouch (if you have a free limb). Sound is pretty decent... but nothing exciting if you have the latest/greatest soft-synths. I used to bend my head down over the original Fantom's D-beam sensor when playing with two hands. The filter swept as my head got closer to the keys. Looked weird to say the least...
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 16:09:32
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/07/02 20:20:28
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I was excited about the akai 88 key keyboard until my friend reported on it's bad hammer action- I dont want hammer action. Give me an 88 key synth! @Jim, thanx for confirming. Id also heard the CME keys were not good, but wasnt sure- Too bad cuz youre right, they do like good from afar- The conclusion is, we do not have an 88 key keyboard in the world that we need- cakewalk, youre up!
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/10/21 00:26:57
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/10/21 11:51:03
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If 76 will do, look for an old Roland JX10 - 76 keys with aftertouch. Fat analog sounds are a bonus. Roland's old D70 is another option with similar features and a more digital sound.
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Re:88 Unweighted Keys?
2010/10/22 18:31:19
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I just bought a Keystation 88ES and I love it. It sounds great working with Ivory II and East West's Symphonic Orchestra programs. I wanted the 88 key and I am not sorry I bought this keyboard. It plays really easy and really brings the most out of my programs. For it's $199 sale price I couldn't beat it. I got it at Guitar Center, and would recommend you play one to try it out. Note: It works pefectly with my Sonar Home Studio 7XL program... and it does indeed have a volume control slider that is very useful.
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