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2014/12/01 18:33:30 (permalink)

A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network

I haven't recorded vocals in a few months. I was trying to do that today, but I was getting weird artifacts throughout the vocal take. It was driving me crazy, because this never happened before. I tried everything I could think of. I recently set up a wireless network, so for the heck of it, I disconnected the wireless network, and sure enough, thankfully that fixed the problem. 
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 18:57:24 (permalink)
FWIW, I never shut my wireless network off and have never had any problems.
 



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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 19:04:13 (permalink)
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FWIW, I never shut my wireless network off and have never had any problems.
 


It's weird because it only affected the mic. Everything was fine when recording guitar.
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 19:09:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/12/04 00:49:50
What sort of mic?  I'm guessing a capacitor...   with a screen grounding problem....

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 20:25:29 (permalink)
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 20:31:26 (permalink)
I have my DAW connected via wireless to my office computer and via Ethernet to another machine that contains my sound library and have never had any recording or playback problems that can be traced to either wireless or Ethernet.  Surfing the internet is a whole other matter entirely and should not be done for a variety of reasons when recording. 
 
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 21:00:16 (permalink)
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What sort of mic?  I'm guessing a capacitor...   with a screen grounding problem....


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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 21:14:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2014/12/02 22:43:40
The less RF you have floating around, the better. One potential problem occurs if there are dissimilar metals that form small crystalline structures over time. These can basically act like crystal radios (not that anyone would know what those are, but I digress...) that rectify the RF and thus create signals in the audio range. 

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 21:19:18 (permalink)
I just picked up a new Wireless Mouse and Keyboard combo, made by good old Mircosoft, It does the buzzing thing when you move the mouse around??. So I traded back with my old Logitech Combo and the interference is gone now. 

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 21:19:24 (permalink)
Wi-Fi adapters can cause DPC Latency Spikes, and lots of folks temporarily disable them just prior to launching a Sonar session, then enable them again right after finishing with Sonar.
 
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 22:12:45 (permalink)
I too have Rode NT1A, is I leave the wirless on on my laptop I too will get clicks and pops along the audio part of the track.
 
If I turn it off, all good.
 
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 22:33:20 (permalink)
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I too have Rode NT1A, is I leave the wirless on on my laptop I too will get clicks and pops along the audio part of the track.
 
If I turn it off, all good.
 
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/01 23:02:42 (permalink)
It's been long regarded as standard practice and very often recommended on this forum to turn WiFi off whilst using you DAW. If you don't think its true run DPC while you WiFi is on and see the regular spike that occurs when the WiFi polls the network which it will do regularly even when idle.

Wireless keyboards and mice don't seem to cause the same problem that WiFi for data transfer does.

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/02 01:29:58 (permalink)
ok,  clicks and pops because you have a wifi dongle enabled is not the same as "weird artifacts throughout the vocal take".
 
Unless said weird artefacts are simply clicks and pops, which wasn't the implication.

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/02 07:48:21 (permalink)
I too have Rode NT1A, is I leave the wirless on on my laptop I too will get clicks and pops along the audio part of the track.
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/02 08:17:56 (permalink)
I don't have a RODE NT1A but if I leave the wireless switched on on my laptop it randomly freezes the built in firewire completely.
 
 
The issue here is wifi drivers,  not radio waves and microphones.

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/02 22:29:15 (permalink)
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The issue here is wifi drivers,  not radio waves and microphones.



I interpreted his original post as talking about a wireless network, e.g., not a wi-fi card inside a laptop or computer but something like a broadband modem from a telephone or cable company, with wireless capabilities. I've had several instances of interference caused by these types of networks, particularly with wireless mics (even digital wireless). I would just turn off the modem to make the problem go away, then turn it back on later when I wanted to watch movies on my iPad 

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/02 23:19:55 (permalink)
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Karyn
The issue here is wifi drivers,  not radio waves and microphones.



I interpreted his original post as talking about a wireless network,


 Yep, that's correct!  
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/02 23:28:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby soens 2014/12/03 23:04:06
Yes, our Wi Fi Modem will make audible clicks in our wireless phones. It is a steady clicking like a clock. Just think what that will do to an audio system with pour shielding. 
 
If you still have WIndows 7 you can run the DPCLAT meter from here:         http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
 
If your curious, fire it up and then start messing with stuff. This works real well with a dual monitor system.
On a laptop, just the wireless wi Lan and battery management will normally send it through the roof. 
So you can easily see what will cause spikes and what does nothing if you leave it running and start changing settings , disabling stuff. Have fun. 
If your running widows 8 you'll have to use Latency Mon. 
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/03 08:32:29 (permalink)
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The issue here is wifi drivers,  not radio waves and microphones.

I interpreted his original post as talking about a wireless network, e.g., not a wi-fi card inside a laptop or computer but something like a broadband modem from a telephone or cable company, with wireless capabilities. I've had several instances of interference caused by these types of networks, particularly with wireless mics (even digital wireless). I would just turn off the modem to make the problem go away, then turn it back on later when I wanted to watch movies on my iPad 

Yep,  My initial though was exactly the same, hence my first reply..
 
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What sort of mic?  I'm guessing a capacitor...   with a screen grounding problem....

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By pure coincidence I've just finished building a new LDC from a microphone-parts.com kit, so I know all about RF shielding, self noise and interference removal.
 
Without holding the mic in my hand it's hard to diagnose where RF interference would be coming from. Possible options include, but are not limited to..  Bad screen in the mic cable, bad (loose or dirty) screen connection between interface - cable - mic.  Corrosion on the gauze cage around the capsule where it connects to the main body. Corrosion on the main body mounting points. Corrosion at the body split point.  Corrosion of the capsule connections to the fet pre-amp. Corrosion on ANY of the solder joints on the pre-amp board.  By corrosion, I don't mean anything you can actually see.... but oxidation of the metal surface, creating a partial semiconductor which acts as a diode.
 
If you can prove it is the mic you have three options.
Fix it
Use a different mic
Turn off your Wifi when you record. 

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/03 22:42:30 (permalink)
Or use a LAN cable and use the latest drivers for your network card. Never have issue with that.

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/03 23:23:35 (permalink)
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Yes, our Wi Fi Modem will make audible clicks in our wireless phones. It is a steady clicking like a clock. Just think what that will do to an audio system with pour shielding. 
 
If you still have WIndows 7 you can run the DPCLAT meter from here:         http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml


Thanks for the link johnny. I've been having countless dropouts on my laptop with X3 like never before. I was starting to think it was to blame until I read this thread. I ran the DLC and immediately it showed red and yellow spikes. When I turned off the laptop WiFi the chart went almost flat. Turned the WiFi back on and instantly got a red spike through the roof. Then I logged on connecting to the outside WWW and got a series of red and yellow spikes.
 
The WiFi may not be the only thing causing the dropouts but without this little utility I may never know. I am anxious to see how it goes now.
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/04 20:10:24 (permalink)
I always mention it when I can even though you would figure by now everyone is aware of DPCLAT issues. Laptops are by far more prone to huge spikes. 
I've been using the sycon utility for a long time now and was disappointed when it would not run on W8. But the someone pointed me at the Latency Mon version. It's actually way better as far as in depth reporting, but for a simple quick view the sycon was cool. 

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/04 20:53:31 (permalink)
Laptops are also prone to throttling back on power consumption to save battery life. If you haven't already modified the power plan to have the CPU run at 100% and the USB ports to stay awake, that's good practice.

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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/05 06:22:21 (permalink)
Most definitely. The only one falling asleep during a DAW session these days is the one in front of the laptop...
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/05 06:58:14 (permalink)
All set...great stuff.
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Re: A Lesson learned...turn off your wireless network 2014/12/05 10:14:16 (permalink)
You will find the USB Selective Suspend settings in the Advanced Options for Power Management Options.
 
By default, Windows will sever connection to a USB device, after some period of time, to conserve power.  When this happens, Sonar does not react well, so most folks go into Power Management Options, then to the Advanced options, and within those options there is a setting to tell Windows to allow or not allow the USB Selective Suspend behavior.
 
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