A Quad-Core Laptop

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2008/01/19 00:46:29 (permalink)

A Quad-Core Laptop

An Intel Q6600 Quad Core Processor Laptop (17", 200GB/7200 HD, 4Gig Ram, Geforce 8700)

... is scheduled for delivery 1/19/2008 (Saturday) ... by ADK of KY. Note: ADK highly recommends XP-32 as the OS of choice, still.

If this thing works it will be equivalent to my bulky Dell desktop ... but a road warrior DAW with 2 vital peripherals:

1) RME ff 400
2) AKG Cans

I hope to use it for mixing and experimenting on the road (while undocked). I hope this doesn't become another stupid fad of mine; but that it will have enhanced my music business/hobbie ... like my EMR-laptop enhanced my podiatry practice.

I'll be sure to let you know if it seems worth the $3k, etc. ... to be toting these 3 pieces with me everywhere.

Any suggestions about portable DAWs? Regrets? Ideas?

Philip  
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    M4Ever
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/19 20:02:22 (permalink)
    Philip, i think you made a good choice.
    I want to replace my desktop with a laptop, too and I'm thinking about the same thing lately.
    I really want to hear your experience and opinion about this.
    Also, if it's possible, i'd appreciate a lot if you could post a few pictures from different angles how does it look like, where are the USB and fw plugs, etc. It would finally help to make up my mind and order it.
    Thanks
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    Philip
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/20 11:00:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for chiming M4Ever,

    I found out I won't get this until Tuesday (after M. Luther King, Jr Holiday). So I'll try to remember to bump this thread a bit and give a reasonable critique (photos may not be good quality).

    Again, I'm counting on 3 things for a Portable Studio:

    1) a Reliable Laptop w/XP-32
    2) a portable power-packed interface (w/stand-alone): the RME FF 400 (which I have already and is recommended by ADK)
    3) a the best cams possible (for least compromised mixing)

    Note: Midi-Controllers (and Control Surfaces) are not factored in. My proven Control Surface is a mouse (for envelope adjustings). I suppose a track-pad will become a bit tedious.

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    Thomas Campitelli
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/20 12:15:22 (permalink)
    I would say that the only reason to get a laptop over a desktop is if you need portability. In Philip's case, it seems like he wants a mobile recording rig. A desktop is not well suited to such a task, although it can be done. If you just want a laptop to take up less space on your desk, I suggest that you save your money and get a desktop instead. More power, better expandability, better ergonomics, and lower cost.

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/20 13:20:17 (permalink)
    And like Thomas says, you can always go with a rackable form factor PC... and then everything can be buttoned up in one portable rig.
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/20 14:08:14 (permalink)
    You're absolutely right. I always had a desktop and i never wanted anything else so far, up until now. More flexible, less expensive etc as you said.
    But there are some changes in my life lately and in the next couple years i'll probably move a lot so portability is unfortunately a must have for me.
    I'll just grab my laptop, FA-66 a good headphone and move on. That way i still can lay down some tunes anytime and fine tune them later on when i get back home.

    Philip
    The only picture they have on their website doesn't show a lot about it, so any photo you could show me works fine, just to get an idea about this laptop's look.

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/21 16:00:59 (permalink)
    Sometimes you just need the portability of a laptop!

    (I've given up portability lately, in the interest of multiple fast hard drives and big screens, but when quad core laptops reach a reasonable level of availability and price, I'm sure I'll be tempted again.)

    Good luck!
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/21 18:48:16 (permalink)
    If you wait long enough, no one will be able to sell a laptop that doesn't have a quad in it. The cutting-edge guys will be running sixteen cores. Or maybe thirty-two.

    I just try to get the nicest thing that I can afford at the time and be thankful to have it.
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/22 11:24:03 (permalink)
    Tom, John ... have you ever been inspired "going down the road" ... desperately making mental notes of your haunting (daunting) melody ... only to totally procrastinate on implementation ... or worse yet ... totally lose your artistic revelaton?

    For the faint-of-heart, a portable rack might be difficult to set up enroute.

    Today, I eagerly await this ADK laptop (again).

    M4Ever, here's the system: http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/system_review.cfm?saved_id=12936; I'm sure the laptop is generically un-pretty.
    I'll just grab my laptop, FA-66
    Please let me know (in the not-to-distant-future) if this works OK for you ... 'on the road'.
    try to get the nicest thing that I can afford at the time and be thankful

    Yes; I suppose I should be thankful for anything that doesn't crash nor hinder inspiring moments.

    Originally I thought of a Best-Buy Toshiba (on clearance) with a Vista 'Windows Experience Index' of 4.8 ($1500); but I'd expect some 'ouchy' Vista-bugs and firewire issues.

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/22 21:50:19 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Jessie Sammler

    If you wait long enough, no one will be able to sell a laptop that doesn't have a quad in it. The cutting-edge guys will be running sixteen cores. Or maybe thirty-two.

    I just try to get the nicest thing that I can afford at the time and be thankful to have it.


    I hate to be an eeyore, but...

    In my experience, putting heavy-duty desktop CPUs in laptops makes for MUCH greater cooling challenges. There have been laptop models by the the major manufacturers that you could pretty much count on to burn up, sooner or later, often sooner. The power management features of the Centrino (pentium M) style laptop chipsets had the added benefit of keeping them cool. They're also unusually fast - I've got a 1.7 centrino laptop that absolutley clobbers my 2.6 p4 desktop in performance.

    If you get a laptop with a server CPU, take steps to combat overheating - keep some external ventilation going and whatever you do, don't set it on your lap.


    On a happy note, Philip, hope you enjoy your new machine and don't have have ANY problems with it.


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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/23 03:01:37 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike,

    I got it directly on my lap now; while it would take a while for it to fry an egg; I'm afraid you're right ... that the Q6600 lifespan may be signficantly hindered by heat issues.

    Tomorrow I'll try to search a fitting firewire to connect the RME ff 400.

    If you bump the thread tomorrow, I should remember to give a better first impression after configuring some more.

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/23 10:09:27 (permalink)
    HI Guys,
    nope there is no heat issues with that laptop.
    nor will the Q6600 life span be reduced.

    i do recall the earlier version of that laptop a few yrs ago that had the older "Preshot" in them. no those were hot and loud...

    FI thats NOT a laptop... its a desktop replacement.. not supposed to be in your lap.


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    Philip
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/25 02:55:07 (permalink)
    Hey Scott and everyone; I've a frustrating firewire issue with the laptop; its only got a 4-pin port for the RME ff 400 ; which
    (1) I think requires external power (vs. bus power) ... ouch! (and a power chord that I don't have)
    (2) the 4-pin connector is extremely delicate, allowing it to fall off with even minor movements.

    Is a 6-pin firewire PCMCI card the answer? to regain a (1) bus-powered and (2) sturdy firewire port?


    (P.S.; I will continue to report 'laptop-progress' (or lack thereof) after I address this issue)

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/25 09:33:53 (permalink)
    There are no PC laptops that provide power to firewire. Even the cards that have 6 pin on them use an additional power adapter to give power to the device. Pretty pointless if you ask me, just use the proper adapter for the device in those cases. 4 pin cables vary in size, so some of them make a really good fit and some don't. Look for the cables that look like the one that came with your Fireface, those are usually of better quality and connectors.
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/25 10:07:02 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Hard2Hear

    There are no PC laptops that provide power to firewire. Even the cards that have 6 pin on them use an additional power adapter to give power to the device. Pretty pointless if you ask me, just use the proper adapter for the device in those cases. 4 pin cables vary in size, so some of them make a really good fit and some don't. Look for the cables that look like the one that came with your Fireface, those are usually of better quality and connectors.


    Mike, I'm using a 6-pin RME-400 connection to my desktop without external power. This is supposed to be a 'desktop-replacement'.

    4 pin cables vary in size?

    What? You've got to be kidding, Mike?

    The one that came with the ff is 6-pin to 6-pin anyway?

    I researched today and you're absolutely right, Mike; I must have a reliable power supply to run the RME FF 400 on a laptop.

    Speaking of laptops, Scott:
    FI thats NOT a laptop... its a desktop replacement.. not supposed to be in your lap.

    ???? Ouch!!! ... this is a 'lap'-top-DAW, Scott; its not that hot (yet?) and diffuses the heat well enough to be warm only.
    I use it on my lap in the office, library, and home. It sits well on my lap ... in my recliner.

    I have a lot of hope in it as a Lap-DAW but have not tested yet if my car can drive both it and the RME FF 400 on my lap. Are you (or anyone) suggesting its too heavy to be a laptop?
    post edited by Philip - 2008/01/25 14:58:01

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/25 15:02:52 (permalink)
    I wouldn't set ANY laptop on my lap. Learned that lesson using a MacBook Pro. Brought a new meaning to "chestnuts roasting..."
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/25 15:40:56 (permalink)
    LOL

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/01/31 20:58:49 (permalink)
    Hello again, Philip!
    I checked the link you posted and it's almost identical with the one i try to put together for myself :)
    How is your new laptop works out for you?
    I hoped too that there is a solution to power my FA66 from the laptop via the firrewire. Well if it's not possible not really a show stopper for me.
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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/02/01 00:40:10 (permalink)
    Hey M4Ever,

    I used the laptop last night in a motel for 3 hours OK.

    ... The RME FF 400 firewire came off only once;

    ... and i got a lot of sequencing done (with the track pad and AKG headphones)
    ... Remember its heavy but lap-able in an awkward way ... I had it on a desk there.

    Despite my evil tidings about trying to use it in my car ... ha ha
    ... My motel experience was excellent:
    1) I hyper-focused more casually
    2) My sequencing seemed more harmonious
    3) There were no crashes (at all)
    4) The headphones seemed to promise 'ample' translation

    I had wanted to burn a demo (to listen in my car) but forgot disks.

    Copying from a laptop DAW to another DAW may still present problems:
    DimPro doesn't "program" correctly after transfers (it seems).
    VSTs and S.Synths may yet be tricky.
    Laptop screen is not as bright as video monitors (but you can connect one bright monitor (your docking area).

    I'll keep reporting back with further testing results about transfering projects from DAW to DAW here. If it gets to tricky, you probably don't want to have more than one DAW.

    I think you can honestly say that my laptop-configuration as probably the ideal and reasonable standard DAW. I mean what could be better?

    Ultimately, I hope to be able to commit to the Laptop as the Primary DAW; I presently see no significant advantages of having a tower-computer instead.

    I may eat my words though.

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/02/01 00:40:18 (permalink)
    just a heads up.
    you might want to think about getting one of those "cool Pads" for your lap top. You know the kind
    with cooling fans blowing up from the bottom.........

    Lap Tops get hot!!

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/02/01 01:16:33 (permalink)
    I'll look for one.

    Wow, you have the same great processor!

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    RE: A Quad-Core Laptop 2008/02/02 23:18:46 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Philip

    I'll look for one.

    Wow, you have the same great processor!


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