spacey
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A hard question(s)...
what size of bolt is used to mount a Fender Tele neck pickup? If you know....where do you buy them and even harder-where do you find them in gold? If you buy a new pickup they are not included and finding them, info about them and especially in gold is a major deal. It's treated almost like a top secret. You can buy a gold cover but it seems that none are offered with gold. The neck pickup is grounded .....leads to major issues if one doesn't know how to deal with this issue. I can't believe that a pickup that has been on one of the most popular guitars since the 50's has these issues. Very strange. I know the answers to all these questions. I just thought there are some that didn't realize these problems could possibly exist with such a popular pickup.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 15:45:25
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#3 or #4 wood screw? I've never owned a guitar with gold hardware. I prefer the appearance of nickel or chrome. What's the issue with the grounded pickup? The cover or "shield" doesn't become a shield until it is connected to ground. best, mike
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 15:50:25
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 15:53:48
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http://www.soundclick.com/riprorenband The music biz is a cruel and shallow money trench,a plastic hallway where thieves & pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. Hunter S. Thompson
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 15:59:33
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I like McMaster Carr for anything with threads in it.
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 17:56:07
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Nobody is right yet. No correct size, no gold, no info about grounding cover. ( or not grounding cover) Preference of chrome or gold isn't the issue Mike. Sorry Larry...buying used with the machine screws is "side-stepping" the issue....and they're not gold plated either. Sorry Randy...you didn't check and Allparts doesn't have them...I know.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 18:04:39
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I've got a connection (actually 2) right inside Fender - whenever I need parts/info I make a phone call......
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 18:39:32
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http://www.soundclick.com/riprorenband The music biz is a cruel and shallow money trench,a plastic hallway where thieves & pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. Hunter S. Thompson
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 19:35:53
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 20:15:57
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Nope. Those are screws. Tele neck pickup is held in place via machine screws ( bolts) and the pickguard supports the pickup...the machine bolts are for adjusting the pickup up and down. Ric, if I knew somebody at Fender I'd tell them to get their act together. There is no good reason that they and others selling these pickups not include the machine screws and in black and gold AND include all the information about the cover ground. No good reason. And when one thinks about how many years this has been going on...well that makes it stupid and that can be hard to fix. You guys are not going to believe what the answer is when I tell you. Keep trying though...maybe somebody will get it. Nobody here has a Tele ? Well even if ya do....try to find the machine screws for the pup.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 21:13:34
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I did a search came up with nothing for tele machine bolts that didn't come with the whole thing. here Plenty of Strat screws though, what's up with that?
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 21:17:50
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Actually there are 2 kinds of Tele neck PU mounts - the one you describe for pickguards with adjustment holes, and screw mounts for vintage-style pickguards without holes.
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 21:26:15
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You're right Drew. Adjustment screws which are referred to as "body mount" are readily available. No issue finding those. When they are used for the Tele it is known as the "vintage" mount. The pickguard is removed to adjust the pup. And your confirmation is correct. I am talking about the machine screws for the pickguard mounting neck pickup. Grant if you search you will find Tele pickup mounting screws.....and what you will notice is that there will be no indication of their size and more importantly after they arrive at your house you will find out that they are for the bridge pup. Those are a larger machine screw and have a larger head too. So if you try to use on the neck pup....not good. To close to pup and pup base plate has to be modified for fit.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 21:36:24
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Just now I cheated and looked at a tele neck PU I had lying around and it's a standard HB PU machine screw.
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 21:39:04
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I have a 1982 Tele that I bought used, it came with a strat pickup in the neck position. I have a newer Custom Shop Tele with the wood screws. What were you thinking about the grounding? best, mike
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 22:18:34
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drewfx1 Just now I cheated and looked at a tele neck PU I had lying around and it's a standard HB PU machine screw. One would think "standard" would be easy to find. Try to find them in gold. Since you didn't include size and where they can be found.....game is still go! Mike, I'm not sure I understand your question but I'll tell you what I see... Many people are looking for answers on-line about this pickup. They are making modifications or just trying new pups and here are some of the issues; 1. The Tele neck pickup cannot be replace with a single coil. It will not fit. The "Strat style" single coil is bigger. 2. The Tele pickup has a metal cover that is grounded. This is an issue that will cause problems if one just "dives" in. The number one problem is when one tries to change the cover. Most all Tele pups are sold with a chrome cover and that is why one would change it. Don't believe me? Show me where to buy a gold Tele pickup with machine screws included. What you will see is a ground wire from the cover to the ground wire ( bottom of pup) To change the cover the wire has to be cut. So the pour soul that doesn't know...cuts the ground, changes the cover and then soldiers the ground wire back. Yep you guessed... the coil wires are hair thin and he melted it...pickups dead now. So I'm surprised there is no info provided....if there is I haven't seen it. Solution is easy though- DO NOT soldier that wire back. Soldier a wire to the cover and run it to the control cavity. That's much better all the way around. If you decide to change from/to series....cover ground isn't an issue when wiring is reversed. I'll tell you something else ....I couldn't believe how crazy this issue is so I contacted customer service via e-mail at a few of the online retailers and inquired why they sold the pickups and not the mounting machine screws and also ( for the ones that didn't list sizes) why they didn't include sizes in the description and also a note that the Fender pickup mounting/adjusting screws were for the bridge pup only......none replied. I won't keep you guys in suspense much longer........and I'll give you a clue.....Gibson is the one that solved the problem for me. LOL
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 22:21:34
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 22:24:02
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 22:29:40
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Here is a mounting ring for custom work from Allparts. See the included screws. They're to mount the ring to the body. See the little holes for the pup adjusting machine screws?....ask Allparts for those. LOL Then ask if they have them in gold....then ask if the know what size they are....then ask them if they know anything at all about this ring they sell. Or ask them why the mounting/ adjustment machine screws weren't included with the pup they sold. I'll tell you...if you get answer(s) you won't like any of them.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/09 22:51:36
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In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 06:12:20
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drewfx1 They're #3 machine screws, and can be found here in gold (or black if desired): http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/screws_pickup.htm Sorry. Wrong. Don't believe me? Order you some. The only thing on that page listed for a Tele neck pickup is a screw. You're close though. Enough. The #4 machine screws for the P-90 will work but you'll have to cut to length. I choose to go with the #4 40 x 5/8" Bridge Length Screws. If you don't know....that's the one that moves the saddle back and forth. Hey! Ya get a spring too if ya don't want to use the surgical tubing. Pretty crazy huh?....Just a hole in the road that's been ignored for way to long. NOTE; Some of these 3rd party or maybe Fender too might have a metal bottom plate and could take even a different size...I don't know. Haven't messed with one yet. I ran into this dealing with Grants Tele. Anyway...it may help somebody.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 11:39:09
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I don't know about your PU, but the standard HB machine screws fit the tele neck PU I had here perfectly (it's possible they may need to be cut shorter depending on the PU route). And the page I linked (among others) had HB machine screws in gold. But I would think a PU vendor should be able to tell you what their PU's are tapped for. And it is a bit odd that, given the preponderance of pickguard-mounted tele neck PU's nowadays, no one mentions it.
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 12:18:09
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drewfx1 I don't know about your PU, but the standard HB machine screws fit the tele neck PU I had here perfectly (it's possible they may need to be cut shorter depending on the PU route). And the page I linked (among others) had HB machine screws in gold. But I would think a PU vendor should be able to tell you what their PU's are tapped for. And it is a bit odd that, given the preponderance of pickguard-mounted tele neck PU's nowadays, no one mentions it. Fender and Seymour Duncan both take a #4 40 x 5/8" as I previously stated. I also included a link to them as they are used as bridge saddle adjustments and that is the only ones I have found that will work. I've not tried every pup for the neck position but I'd bet they're all the same and they are not #3's as you stated. If yours is...very odd. Nowhere do I know of that list the needed machine screws for this pickup as "standard HB machine screws". Maybe if you'd included a link to them they would have the size listed? I think you missed my original statement Drew.....I've known the size, what the pups are tapped and all the BS about trying to get the right machine screws for the pickguard mount. I also made the statement that I contacted numerous vendors which none of them replied...which I did before I resolved the problem. Yes it's very odd....that's why I posted this issue. Also has I pointed out about the page you linked to...the only #4 machine screws on that page are for P-90's and they are 1 1/2" long. That is why I stated they would work if modified. Neck pockets are usually 7/8" or 5/8" and a 3/4" long machine screw is plenty. So....if you need machine screws for a Tele neck pickup, pickguard mounted machine screw- a #4-40 x 5/8 can be found in gold, black and nickel/silver as a "bridge length adjustment screw"- which is the machine screw you turn to set intonation. (Link provided in post 21) And until Fender and the vendors get their act together....happy hunting if you didn't read this thread.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 12:37:08
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spacey I've not tried every pup for the neck position but I'd bet they're all the same and they are not #3's as you stated. If yours is...very odd. It actually occurred to me after my last post that if they aren't all a "standard" size, it might explain why the various guitar parts retailers don't even mention it. Why create a bunch of Customer Service issues over a set of cheap machine screws? But the "Tele neck" wood screws listed sure aren't what everyone would want nowadays either, and they never explain in the descriptions that there are different mounting styles for Tele neck PU's, so...
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 13:03:53
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drewfx1 spacey I've not tried every pup for the neck position but I'd bet they're all the same and they are not #3's as you stated. If yours is...very odd. It actually occurred to me after my last post that if they aren't all a "standard" size, it might explain why the various guitar parts retailers don't even mention it. Why create a bunch of Customer Service issues over a set of cheap machine screws? But the "Tele neck" wood screws listed sure aren't what everyone would want nowadays either, and they never explain in the descriptions that there are different mounting styles for Tele neck PU's, so... "Standard size"...I don't know Drew. All of the Tele's I've messed with have been the same. All for pickguard mount. I've never replaced a body mount vintage. ( I sure have enough spare screws and surgical rubber though) There is no excuse for them to not have them listed. What really gripes me is that they will sell machine screws and label them, " for humbucking pickup" or whatever...It's fine to list them with defined application but SIZE should be included. Right now you can order say a Seymour Duncan Tele neck pickup and it will state "with mounting hardware". When you get it, it will have screws for a body mount NOT the machine screws for pickguard mount. They are treating ALL of the neck pups as VINTAGE body mount. Every neck pup I've ordered if it came with mounting hardware it was screws and surgical rubber for body mount. If one doesn't have the original machine screws they best know what I've mentioned here or they're in for a tuff ride with dead searches. I've sent e-mails after e-mails and nobody has a clue to this problem. Many of the vendors won't even include mounting hardware.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 13:06:34
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I wasn't sure, but somehow, I didn't think that telling someone to "Just buy a Les Paul" was the answer you were looking for. I could be wrong.
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 13:13:55
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UbiquitousBubba I wasn't sure, but somehow, I didn't think that telling someone to "Just buy a Les Paul" was the answer you were looking for. I could be wrong. LOL....maybe that's why they sell? ( easy now....I have a Les Paul too)
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spacey
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 13:20:29
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I've only one more thing to add to this mess... If you think the easy solution is to bore out the pup plate for the #6 of #8 machine screws that are easy to get....you sure better check for head clearance. Those little holes in the pickguard are very close to the pups...enough so that you'll want to find the machine screws I metioned that'll fit. Well I've done my part. Good luck you Tele pickers.
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 13:49:30
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Re:A hard question(s)...
2011/05/10 14:11:31
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