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2017/11/29 16:05:11 (permalink)

A message for the professionals who are freaking out

There's a lot of concern right now about what to do next, and nobody's more panicked than the professionals who depend on their DAW to make a living. They are rightly thinking about how to protect their businesses. To them, I say: calm down. Take a deep breath, and carefully consider your options - and, more important, the unforeseen consequences of any rushed decisions you make today. 
 
In the wider world of truly mission-critical applications, a DAW doesn't even make the list. Even if you depend on it for your livelihood. How about the software that lands airplanes in bad weather? Or that monitors you during surgery? Or tells a cruise missile what to blow up?
 
Back when I worked for a computer manufacturer, one of my customers was a nuclear power plant. Talk about software you can't allow to fail - ever. The first time I spoke with them, I was surprised at how far out of date they were with the O/S. They were having some problem with a driver. Like the noob I was at the time, I asked why they didn't just update it - the standard advice you give when you're a newly-minted software support analyst who doesn't yet know WTF he's doing.
 
That's when I first had the term "mission-critical" explained to me. They explained that they worked under strict rules set by the NRC for software changes, rules that set such rigorous requirements that it took at least two years to certify an O/S revision. My company was on an 18-month major-release cycle, which made O/S revs a moving target. They'd had to freeze their version, and they'd been working with my employer for over three years to find, fix and mitigate every conceivable flaw in it. That's why they were still using "outdated" software.
 
The point of this is this: by staying on one version long-term they were actually improving reliability. Every defect in that version had been identified and dealt with, either by getting a fix from the manufacturer or devising a workaround to avoid it. Sure, they missed out on new features. But they also weren't constantly trading one set of bugs they knew about for a new set of bugs they didn't know.
 
As Panu noted in another thread, there will be no bug fixes for SONAR but there will also be no new bugs. We know its current weaknesses and none of them are showstoppers (definition of "showstopper": a flaw that prevents users from using a key feature). We have nothing to fear from SONAR itself.
 
Ah, but what about Microsoft, you say? They could break us at any moment.
 
If you're a pro and that worries you, do what the nuclear power plant did. Take your DAW offline and freeze it in a stable state. Test all software changes on a separate computer before installing them on your mission-critical system. Don't go installing some file-conversion utility you found for free on a Chinese website. Don't play video games on your DAW. Don't tweak the registry because you saw some optimization technique in a YouTube video. Don't run anti-virus software (you don't need it, you're offline now). 
 
Now, I can hear you protesting: this is easy for you to say, bit. You're just a hobbyist. Well, I may be a hobbyist but I am just as serious about this stuff as any professional. Losing my DAW might not cost me money, but it would still be a horrible tragedy. I have no intention of risking that!
 
And although I am not a recording professional, I am a software professional. I make my living helping other people make theirs. I have to understand risks and how to mitigate them. And I am here to tell you that Microsoft is not going to break SONAR anytime soon. I know people still running SONAR 4. Think about how many changes Windows has undergone since 2004. It still works! Sure, they're missing out on all the cool features Cakewalk has added, but for them, S4 does everything they need. Namely, recording and mixing audio.
 
Picking up skills on another DAW is not a bad idea. I'll be doing the same, even if I haven't yet settled on which one to adopt. I'm just in no hurry. SONAR already does everything I could ever want it to do, and I'm confident it'll continue to do so for a long, long time.


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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 16:14:39 (permalink)
but you know about embedded systems.. daw's ain't. hardware makers can "muck" us up also with lame-o drivers that ain't fit for purpose. I used to get NI kontakt make sonar fall over, thats how I got to know mr jones so well haha
 
so yer, 3rd party dev's have an impact hence why reason didn't have em , for a long long time.. and even now.. well they can't give a cast iron guarantee with everything.
 
it's the same with win xp, I do know a few places who run it.. I run an old pc/windows that isn't online solely to work with an eprom programmer. or with my older 8 bit machines , machines that still have IDE floppy connectors.. as the USB ones don't work properly for disk porting.
 
of course it won't fail yet.. but in time , it'll break code doing funny things, causing exception errors etc.
 
my old atari ST can still load up c-lab 20+ years on without issue ;-) . but then again it's old hardware.
 
people like to have stability, consistency and familiarity .. if you know you are gonna have to re-learn things, it's just a case of putting things off..  but there is similarities between all the DAW's I use.
 
I'm finding it amusing people are using a new DAW for all of a day (if that) and assuming x-y and z.. come back in 2+ weeks after you have seen training videos on it also.. then comment.
 
if you can claim stuff back as a business expense and you make money from it .. then it's like you are getting the software for free anyway (I'm one of many who don't).. much like a builder has to buy tools.
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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 16:25:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby KMB 2017/12/02 21:40:16
I hear ya, Fog. But SONAR's code can't "break". It's static. Whatever works today will work exactly the same way tomorrow. Software doesn't wear out. It can't break if it doesn't change. 
 
What can break are external dependencies and hardware, which are in constant flux. But those don't fall under the purview of the DAW itself (like they would have in your Atari). Applications are no longer responsible for defining peripherals like they once were. When the day comes when we're able to buy petabyte holographic crystalline storage devices, SONAR will address them the same way it addresses your hard drives and SSDs today: through a driver that conforms to well-defined interface specifications.
 


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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 16:27:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mudgel 2017/11/30 06:50:25
That was weird. Aksimet has been on a roll this past week, randomly deleting posts left and right. It deleted yours while I was responding to it! That resulted in the software telling me I couldn't submit my post. The more "intelligent" software is, the less I trust it. 
 


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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 16:38:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/11/29 17:02:53
Just wait until Akismet deletes Sonar... 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 16:43:46 (permalink)
Using Plat offline works until you need to reinstall for whatever reason then what?

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 16:59:20 (permalink)
That's the unknown right now.
But I'm confident may current systems are "safe".
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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 16:59:32 (permalink)
Excellent points all, bit.
 
I work in the also-heavily-regulated Medical Devices industry as a product developer, so I am no stranger to the concerns surrounding mission-critical systems. You have to develop the mindset of constructing a physical firewall, along with a redundant system set up just for testing changes of ANY kind - especially new interfaces. It's the mindset that your entire system is enclosed in a hard case, like a piece of rack equipment. For a piece of rack gear, the motto is "modify it at your own risk". And as the mod usually involves heating up a soldering iron, it's not something taken lightly. Think about the life span of a piece of rack gear and you will get an idea of the long-term value of such a proposition.
 
While I do not currently make a living out of my studio*, I have worked in studios that did and so I can identify with the difficulties that this kind of change can create. From my current armchair perspective, the pain of setting up and properly maintaining a mission-critical system would be far less than the pain of not doing it.
 
One additional thought - could Virtual Machines help in any way, perhaps as a sort of "middle ground"? 
 
*I am active, though - I do full projects for my wife's students, and of course, I do my own stuff too.
 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:04:39 (permalink)
The first thing I'll reach for when SONAR stops working all together?
 
 
 
Wait for it.......
 
 
 
 
Here it comes......
 
 
 
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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:14:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby losguy 2017/11/30 00:12:19
Couldn't resist, could you? 
 
losguy: I use VMs a lot in my day job, and the main reason I do so is to be able to freeze time. I have essential tools that only work under XP, most from companies that no longer exist. I'd struggled with re-installations for years before hitting on the idea of using a virtual machine. It was a lifesaver. I will never have to worry about re-installing those tools again, or wondering if the next version of Windows will break them. Plus I can copy the whole thing over to my laptop to take my work on the road. 
 
However, there is a certain amount of overhead when you work inside a VM. Surprisingly little, but always there. It's not going to be enough of a burden to prevent you from running SONAR, but it could make a difference when you're pushing the envelope with a large project.
 
Then again, almost every project I have today would have completely killed my computer from 5 years ago, so that's sure to become less and less of an issue going forward.
 
 


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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:15:22 (permalink)
When I built my new daw I basically unplugged my fully functioning old daw and let it sit. In the last 2 years I've only booted it to work in a movie program. I forget which version of Sonar is in it. It's a win 7 machine 64 bit.
 
I guess if the worst would happen I could use it. I'm fairly certain there would be major issues with plugins and such. It would likely import current Sonar files. I would need to substitute or rebuild plug in layouts. 
 
I'm a hobbyist. I rely heavily on being connected to the web with my music computer. I don't think I would like going "cold turkey" and unplugging, but that's just me. I know many have done that. I just use too many things that require me to be online. 
 
If Sonar stops working , so be it. I have other options now. I suspect many money producing studios aren't connected to the web as a matter of course and Sonar might be fine for a long time, but do they want to risk it? If they spend hours tracking a client and Sonar stops working or freezes up before the project is complete what can they do? If you use software from a company that is currently in business,you may be able to salvage the project through updates or saving a project to reload into a fresh machine. If you have  a hard copy of the software all the better. No matter how well the software works you could have hardware failure.
 
If I were in business I would try to make it a habit to save all files and have some redundancy just in case. I wouldn't want to be the one to tell a client, " Hey, you know that song we worked on for 6 hours last week.....well.......my computer crashed and I can't get the files back."

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:15:43 (permalink)
Good words BF...
 
Thanks for the encouragement...
 
I still make most of my living from work I do with Sonar and will continue to do so... I'm running frozen with Win8.1 and only doing defender updates so I feel secure that it will work for the forseeable future... I worry only about a drive failure and the needed re-install if that happens, but I'm hopeful that Gibson/Cakewalk will give us a safety net by then...
 
I am not in a hurry to move to another DAW but I am examing the options in preparation. I have a working version of S1 Artist (no vst support without spending extra) and PT|First (also no VST support) and can upgrade these if/when necessary. Playing with demo versions of Reaper/Mixcraft/DP and not particularly happy... Cubase and Logic do not have demo's so they're out of the running right now, butas I've worked with both previously, I have an idea where they're at...
 
I'm expecting at least a few more years with Sonar working fine... if not more so I'm hopeful another solution will present itself by that time...
 
Right now? Harder to keep up with three forums! ;-)
 
Thanks for all your insights and continued help.... Hoping our connection continues well into the future!
 
 
 
 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:18:35 (permalink)
I've "owned" Studio One Pro 3.x, Reaper 5.x and Mixbus32C for quite some time now.
 
They are my true backup plan.
 
When SONAR no longer does what I need I have palces to go with (ATM) no cost.
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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:21:44 (permalink)
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There's a lot of concern right now about what to do next, and nobody's more panicked than the professionals who depend on their DAW to make a living. They are rightly thinking about how to protect their businesses. To them, I say: calm down. Take a deep breath, and carefully consider your options - and, more important, the unforeseen consequences of any rushed decisions you make today. 

 
The sudden demise of Cakewalk provoked a strong emotional response. It was not strictly "Oh, what if Windows 'breaks' SONAR?" It was a visceral feeling of betrayal. I wouldn't feel this way if Honda Motors suddenly stopped making cars, because they never pretending to be concerned about me as as an individual, a stance Cakewalk did seem to take. So I was shacked and worried.
 
The fact that there are, in fact, technical reasons why SONAR users might be better off finding a DAW that is still being developed and supported reinforced my decision to find a different solution. As a computer technician you understand the inner workings of these boxes more than most of us, and with that knowledge comes a certain comfort level that you can keep them "on the road," so to speak. But I have owned and heavily used PCs since the 1970s, and I can tell you that I am not still using the one I started with, because it broke, as did a whole bunch of other ones along the way. So I feel more comfortable using stuff that has people behind it. New hardware doesn't always play nice with existing software (remember, not all of us are computer techs or software engineers), and you have to get new software. In addition, the Cakewalk staff, at the time it was sent home, was still listing ~50 bug fixes every month for this mature program. I'm going to guess there are still a lot of things they would have fixed this month and going forward. Now we have to rely on "workarounds?"
 
Basically, bitflipper, I agree with your sensible, calming advice. If you have a solid machine, you don't intend to get any new ancillary equipment any time soon, and you can afford an extra computer or two for email, web surfing, game playing and YouTube-watching, and you're not doing paid sessions with real customers, you're good for a while. Vent a little, sure -- it's good for the soul, and the heart, but there's no need to panic. However, like the management of the nuclear plant in your post, it's prudent to be ready for the future, now that we've been cut loose by those evil bstrds in Boston. Just kidding.

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:26:22 (permalink)
Too many people running for the hills since the Gibson - Cakewalk announcement.  The same Sonar you used two weeks ago to record or mix your song will be the same Sonar tomorrow, next week and 5 months to a year from now. 
 
Why do we allow ourselves to become so frantic at an announcement that doesn't actually affect us in any immediate way whatsoever?   The ones we need to be concerned about are the folks at Cakewalk who have now lost their jobs and have families to take care of and feed.  Those associates who have been hired part-time that now have to find a new living and it's close to the Christmas Holiday. 
 
This is where our prayers and wishes should be focused.   The Daws will be there, they will still be working, but these folks lives have just suddenly changed.

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:29:34 (permalink)
The issue is 'someday' SONAR won't work.   I'm thinking 10 years from now, maybe longer.  
 
Hopefully in 10 years the other daws will catch up to where SONAR is today.
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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:34:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby KMB 2017/12/02 22:01:23
I have cloned my entire C Drive using Macrium Reflect Free. It's in the safe and I know it will always work. As a pro, I have to consider the new options and I have indeed settled on Cubase 9.5 Pro as it seems the most intuitive to me, as a SPLAT power user.
I have no idea why anyone is planning to port projects though - why would you? Muck up all your hard work mid-job? No way man. Stay calm, finish production cycles, archive the heck out of it and move over if you choose to.
And for the non-pro guys, keep enjoying Sonar. The more research I did into a new DAW the more I realized how far Sonar was ahead in nearly every department that mattered.

As it is, I can see myself using SPLAT for composing way into the future - same as I still use CD Architect and Soundforge 11 for editing years and years after support has stopped..

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:35:31 (permalink)
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The issue is 'someday' SONAR won't work.   I'm thinking 10 years from now, maybe longer.  
 
Hopefully in 10 years the other daws will catch up to where SONAR is today.




Someday, none of the Daws will work because SKYNET will take over.

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:40:47 (permalink)
My SW engineering career was spent in space & aviation so I agree and it's not just the SW that is deployed, but development tools as well. As you said "constantly trading one set of bugs they knew about for a new set of bugs they didn't know." I learned pretty quickly that makes it tough to meet schedules 
 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:43:08 (permalink)
Excellent post. My thought to a "T". 
Everybody is panicing for no reason, it's like some are almost addicted to updates?? 
 
Example of this is my old W7 DAW I shelved 3 years ago and put in a closet. 
Last night I dragged it out and fired it up and there it was. Sonar 8.5 ( looks like Mix Craft :) 
And Sonar X3e as well as folders full of old projects and tonnes of 3rd party stuff. Even Wave Lab is there and everything still is 100%. That computer was rarely on line as I didn't even have a LAN cable into my studio back then. It's frozen in time and I could probably use it for a few years yet until the old 500GB 7200 drives failed. 
But it's hard to go back to waiting a whole minute for it to boot to desktop :) 
 
If you make you living with a DAW you should have one or two backup machines. Computers are pretty cheap to build compared to a lot of other studio gear. This is a good time to build a new machine and freeze it in time. The currant version of Sonar seems very stable to me.
I have ordered a new SSD  and I will be installing W7. My reason for this is I can safely go on line without the OS buggering things up like W10 has done to me once too often. I'll have W10 on my other DAW. 
My Laptop is W7 and it has caused me no greif. I work in a Hospital and the IT dept said they have no plans to upgrade from W7 in the near future. 
 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:45:53 (permalink)
LBJ,
 
You have an excellent website man, best of luck to you and your group.
 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:46:25 (permalink)
Dave just wrote one of the very best OP posts I've ever read. 
 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:50:26 (permalink)
In computer land the backup is your best friend. Nice to read some calm and rational thoughts. I'm using Sonar today and in the future. It feels like old slippers. The fallback DAW search has been great, and a real eye opener. But it's not time for the fallback position. 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 17:51:14 (permalink)
The OP pretty well expresses why I stopped on Manchester and dealt with it. Moving targets are bad news when people want to get things done versus beta testing. Most software has pushed beta tests to the field and rely on the internet to update; no one thinks of "final product" anymore. In the interest of time (time = money), stability trumps new.

The nuclear example was a nice touch. Nuclear tech is often 20+ years behind "new" because it is proven, reliable, and has a fairly massive margin for error. The US nuclear navy is the only self-regulated agency that I know of, due to their track record, due diligence, and leadership (ADM Rickover was so hard core that he is legendary... One of my regrets in life was that he was gone before I got the chance to interview with him). "Navy nuke" is all you need to say to the right people to tell them 90% about yourself, but is also why I have always keyed on "field failures" as not acceptable. Field failures in some areas represent loss of life, so they take things seriously; where it doesn't, many will get complacent.

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 18:00:24 (permalink)
I think everything Bit says is true. But, the situation is different for different people. Given my gig, I've always been fluent with multiple DAWs, so it's not as big a deal for me to segue over to something else over time. Just as I used other programs in parallel with SONAR, now I'll use SONAR in parallel with other programs.
 
I doubt Windows will "break" SONAR in a serious way. I could be wrong, but the large number of people who are using versions of SONAR that were designed to work with XP speaks volumes about attention to backwards compatibility.

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 18:02:10 (permalink)
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Couldn't resist, could you? 

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 18:09:53 (permalink)
The idea of having JUST Sonar on one computer, detached from the internet isn't so viable either.  That involves potentially adding another computer to run your other audio programs that DO get updates, etc.  That's more expensive than just a new DAW software.  Unhooking from the internet for Window update fears, doesn't seem like that really is a total solution.  
Basically I view this that Sonar now has a lifespan that WILL end potentially much sooner than other active and competing softwares.  WHEN it ends seems to be the question, but I certainly would not rely on using it for the next 3 years.  Yes it is fine now, but isolating it completely from the outside world and other programs/hardware is not a good solution.
Personally, I think you just chalk it up for what it is....and decide if you want to switch platforms or not.
Also....
I totally believe that there will be new software that comes out....such as Melodyne 4 Editor.... that totally revolutionize certain aspects, and using the current version (from here on out), may limit things like that, and prevent you from being current technically.

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 18:29:04 (permalink)
My reasons for looking at other DAW's isn't that Sonar will break, it's that it is already broken and now will never get fixed. I've been using Cakewalk software since the early 90's, so everything I know about DAW's comes from that experience.
 
When I first tried Studio One v1 way back when I bought a PreSonus interface, I thought, "well this is pretty basic" and stuck with Sonar.
 
When Platinum first started with the rolling updates and bugs were affecting me in nearly every release, I tried Reaper. After several severe migraines, and a Sonar update that actually addressed some issues, I stuck with Sonar.
 
This latest drama prompted me to take another look at Studio One, but this time, v3.5. Wow, how things have changed. After almost a week with it, I have not run into a single bug. Not one. For someone with limited time to be creative, that was an astonishing acknowledgement. Working with it was like a breath of fresh air. I wasn't saving every time I changed something for fear of the white screen of death. It worked the way I always hoped that, someday maybe, Sonar would.
 
I love Sonar and know it like the back of my hand, but it's done folks.
 
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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 18:35:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby michaelhanson 2017/11/30 03:20:52
dcumpian
My reasons for looking at other DAW's isn't that Sonar will break, it's that it is already broken and now will never get fixed. I've been using Cakewalk software since the early 90's, so everything I know about DAW's comes from that experience.
 
When I first tried Studio One v1 way back when I bought a PreSonus interface, I thought, "well this is pretty basic" and stuck with Sonar.
 
When Platinum first started with the rolling updates and bugs were affecting me in nearly every release, I tried Reaper. After several severe migraines, and a Sonar update that actually addressed some issues, I stuck with Sonar.
 
This latest drama prompted me to take another look at Studio One, but this time, v3.5. Wow, how things have changed. After almost a week with it, I have not run into a single bug. Not one. For someone with limited time to be creative, that was an astonishing acknowledgement. Working with it was like a breath of fresh air. I wasn't saving every time I changed something for fear of the white screen of death. It worked the way I always hoped that, someday maybe, Sonar would.
 
I love Sonar and know it like the back of my hand, but it's done folks.
 
Regards,
Dan


I agree with this a lot.  Working on software that will never technically advance, in a rapidly changing tech world, bothers me as well.  Being satisfied now with Sonar and...STAYING satisfied  down the line is quite another topic.  Certainly isn't TECHNICALLY competitive for a commercial studio to be running software that is no longer updated and supported either.
After a week, I also have not had a single crash, except when I imported some Cakewalk VST into the project to see if they'd work.  Presonus on its' own has NOT crashed once.  I'd get about 1 crash every 10 hours with Sonar.  See my computer specs too.  Not some Best Buy Dell computer.

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Re: A message for the professionals who are freaking out 2017/11/29 19:09:21 (permalink)
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My reasons for looking at other DAW's isn't that Sonar will break, it's that it is already broken and now will never get fixed. I've been using Cakewalk software since the early 90's, so everything I know about DAW's comes from that experience.
 
When I first tried Studio One v1 way back when I bought a PreSonus interface, I thought, "well this is pretty basic" and stuck with Sonar.
 
When Platinum first started with the rolling updates and bugs were affecting me in nearly every release, I tried Reaper. After several severe migraines, and a Sonar update that actually addressed some issues, I stuck with Sonar.
 
This latest drama prompted me to take another look at Studio One, but this time, v3.5. Wow, how things have changed. After almost a week with it, I have not run into a single bug. Not one. For someone with limited time to be creative, that was an astonishing acknowledgement. Working with it was like a breath of fresh air. I wasn't saving every time I changed something for fear of the white screen of death. It worked the way I always hoped that, someday maybe, Sonar would.
 
I love Sonar and know it like the back of my hand, but it's done folks.
 
Regards,
Dan




It's the same here. There have been several updates in the last six months that broke functionality in Sonar for me. And, that's not including the long-standing bugs that never went away like track templates breaking drum maps.
 
I use a lot of orchestral libraries. I use a lot of automation. The updates to the piano roll made it where I couldn't use the drum pane and the keyed piano roll simultaneously. I'd put the actual music in the piano roll, and create drum maps of my articulations. It was fast and intuitive. Having do everything in just the piano roll was a pain in the rear, so I originally spent two weeks creating drum maps for all my libraries only to find out that the functionality was now broken. There's also a confirmed bug where automation disengages from synths once you saved the project. I've been bit by this one a few times. There's a good selection of bugs I could also name on top of this.
 
If you're just doing the rudimentary functions that any daw can do, then I don't see the point in moving. I'm sure Sonar will work for you (unless you like to cut/copy/paste a lot), but for some of us, it was already broken.
 
I personally reported bugs that I could replicate, was issued CWBRN numbers, only to find out that they were later deleted with no comment. If this is what you want to stay with, then so be it. Who's going to stop you? I use other programs for professional work because of their stability. I wanted to use Sonar on my personal projects, but that won't happen. The functionality I had before will certainly never return.

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