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2014/01/07 04:13:38 (permalink)

A new old one...

Janet asked me for the vocals on this one and I remixed it. It's me and her. She's doing the main keys? I'm doing the backup keys... And the bass, and of course the vocals. Like cheese and crackers :-) Peanut butter and jelly? Biscuits and mustered? 
 
It's not bad? A classic to be sure...
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/07 04:15:19 (permalink)
beans and rice? 

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 00:29:57 (permalink)
peas and carrots?

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 07:26:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby The Band19 2014/01/08 21:08:49
Hey Robby,
Not digging the mix on this remix. Lead vocals stand out too much...bring them back down into the mix a little...like about 4db's or so.

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 08:12:44 (permalink)
A wonderful rendition of one of my favourite classics.
The only thing I'd change would be to let the final orchestral hit take more time in fading out. Seriously, that's ALL I'd change.
I'm left a bit envious of your vocal abilities. When I was younger (about the time this tune was playing on the radio, in fact) I was working on building up the strength in my upper register and could, at the best of times, hit some of those high notes while standing on a ladder. But these days, not so much. I'm left flaying around and stretching for those high notes like a blindfolded kid swatting at a piñata.
 

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 18:13:12 (permalink)
Robby, you've got a great voice, but when it overpowers Janet's piano, it's too upfront in the mix. Really like the way everything comes together towards the end. All around, well done!
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 18:19:09 (permalink)
More like popcorn and butter!! I loved the song, but here is what I hear. The piano and orchestral part are to close together, the bass fits in perfect and the drums toward the end could come up 1 db. Your vocals are great as always, but are inconsistent in the mix. Scotty says bring them down, I say bring them up or bring down the piano. Not sure about up or down on the orchestration until they are a little more separated from one another. IMHO This is a great old classical piece and I have always loved it. Listen to the record and see what you think, as far as what I am suggesting. You know I'm never right, don't you? You both did a nice job on this one and it jst needs a few tweaks here and there to be perfect. Congrats to you both!!
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 20:54:04 (permalink)
Scotty, you were spot on (as usual) I pulled the vox back quite a bit, and added a clip at about 3 mins from the movie "What about Bob" :-) It's Bill Murry and Janet and me. 

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 21:16:03 (permalink)
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Scotty, you were spot on (as usual) I pulled the vox back quite a bit, and added a clip at about 3 mins from the movie "What about Bob" :-) It's Bill Murry and Janet and me. 


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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/08 21:49:03 (permalink)
I may pull it back a bit more in the beginning... Envelopes are your friend ;-) May tweak the orchestra too per John, he's the man when it comes to that shiz. I'm so glad to have people with the skills and talent here who can listen and provide advice, I'm good at what I'm good at, but as Clint Eastwood famously said, "A man's got to know his limitations..." (Magnum Force)

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/09 07:03:43 (permalink)
Enjoyed the listen. Very good vocal and piano. Great range on the vocal.

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/09 19:04:51 (permalink)
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A wonderful rendition of one of my favourite classics.
The only thing I'd change would be to let the final orchestral hit take more time in fading out. Seriously, that's ALL I'd change.
I'm left a bit envious of your vocal abilities. When I was younger (about the time this tune was playing on the radio, in fact) I was working on building up the strength in my upper register and could, at the best of times, hit some of those high notes while standing on a ladder. But these days, not so much. I'm left flaying around and stretching for those high notes like a blindfolded kid swatting at a piñata.

 
Thanks Ron, I'm still able to hit them, but not as well as I could :-( It's only a matter of time... 

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/09 19:06:43 (permalink)
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Robby, you've got a great voice, but when it overpowers Janet's piano, it's too upfront in the mix. Really like the way everything comes together towards the end. All around, well done!
 
Regards,
Dan

 
Thanks Dan, you and Scotty were right, I pulled them back quite a bit, and widened the orchestra per John, also rubbed a little Alloy on the strings, put a bit more omph on the kick and Tymps, changes to some of the panning, etc... You know it's a sickness.

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/09 21:39:23 (permalink)
Sorry, don't mean to post under two IDs, the other is from the DAW and it was banned for some time. I need to get them both on the same login. I'm still not happy with the vocals, they are distorting or something. I need to look at the signal path. It's getting better though hopefully. I still owe Janet some .wav files, that's what got me back on this one. 

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/10 00:30:10 (permalink)
I think I found the major culprits? I had some excitation "problems" on the vox, and I was compressing them twice, and trying to EQ the distortion out? It was a mess... I think this may be a good starting point and hopefully ending poing. I tried to get the vox "to sit better" They were misbehaving before.
 
Not sure why this can't be easier... I want to go to Staples and get an easy button.

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/10 05:42:28 (permalink)
Nice one Robby. Take out that Bill Murray clip, it absolutely ruins the power of the 'sail on, silver girl' line, in fact it detracts from the entire song. Is that a celeste in my right ear?
 
Meant to say, and Herb's post reminded me..I might brighten up the piano a touch. Garfunkel had such a high, keening voice, whereas yours shares a few more frequencies with the piano I'd say, maybe try and separate them a little more. Volume seems about right though.
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/10 08:12:21 (permalink)
Wow!  An iconic song and a tough one to cover.  You did it very well and you captured that wall of sound from the original, and the dynamic as it builds throughout the song.
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/10 09:53:07 (permalink)
I was in my senior year of high school (or was it junior year?) when this song was on the radio. I recall setting down at a piano in music theory class ( a class with 4 people in it) and one of the girls sat down and we played this song....
 
nice job.... I recall this from the past.  I too think you should drop the voice over in the solo area.... it's distracting and out of character with the song.
 
Ditto on envelopes on the vox. there are places where it should be louder and others where it needs to come down. listen with a critical ear.
 
One other thing ... on this computer's speakers, the piano could stand to be just a bit brighter.
 
good overall remix.  but get back to me on January 18th, 2017.
 
we're obviously thinking the same.... got to pick up every stitch..... must be the season of the remix.
 
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/11 02:54:54 (permalink)
OK, I'm on it, mixed for several hrs tonight after the boy went to bed, it's better? But it's not presentable (re) yet... I really appreciate the help I get from people who know what the hell they are doing. 

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/12 21:28:28 (permalink)
Ok, just got finished remixing for what I hope (and believe) will be the last time, however! Many changes were made based on people's most excellent advice! So PLEASE! If I enjoyed the pooch? Please feel free to say so. I "reluctantly" removed Bill Murry from the mix, but it seemed unanimous, so I would have been foolish not to do so. "Many" other changes... Many per people's advice, and some just from me listening multiple times. 
 
Thanks so much.
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/13 01:15:33 (permalink)
My friends who know me, know that I post it? And then I listen? And I say fug (abbreviation) and then I post it again? and then I say fuq! (another abbreviation...) But at some point? I get it right... I'm hoping it's close to right?
 
If you've listened before? Please listen again. If you haven't? Please do... I think I have it right now. Many remixes, but the mixing is not my strong suit. I think it's pretty good now :-) No more remixes w/o input from people I respect (and you know who you are...)
 
No input means "it rocks pretty hard as is... ;-)
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/13 09:25:16 (permalink)
Robby,
 
I didn't listen to the other praises or crits so my conclusions might be way out there compared to others ( they sometimes are).
 
First off I can't believe the coincidence here.....I have been working on this one to play publicly within the next several weeks so I went to youtube and had a listen to the original  recording done live by S&G. I know you probably didn't try to exactly imitate these guys. It sounds like you didn't change keys which I'll be doing when I play it.
 
Here are my impressions- I'm loving your vocals and Janets playing on this. I think the electric keys in the background detract rather than add to the song. To my ears the tempo seems to be a little rushed .The drums around 3:29 seem to be taking over too much of the mix IMO. Not to the extent that it kills it but I would maybe drop them just slightly there and/or narrow their space a little bit.Overall though it sounds great!

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/13 09:36:20 (permalink)
I'm not sure I can add anything to what's already been said, but I just have to say I really like the timbre of your voice. It is one of a kind, and many singers would lose an arm or a leg for such a unique sound.

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/14 00:53:47 (permalink)
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I'm not sure I can add anything to what's already been said, but I just have to say I really like the timbre of your voice. It is one of a kind, and many singers would lose an arm or a leg for such a unique sound.




Thanks so much Reb :-) I can't actually take all of the credit? I had a job with a logging company in the Northwest? My job was to yell TIMBRE!!! When they would cut the trees? So I got pretty used to it? Then I parleyed it in to my singing. 
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/14 02:42:25 (permalink)
Enjoyed !!!!!!!!!!


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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/14 16:41:05 (permalink)
Hey Robbie.......
 
 
I did not listen........
 
 
 
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/14 16:41:34 (permalink)
Do you want me to comment anyway?
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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/14 18:21:57 (permalink)
Robbie, I've been waiting for you to make a few changes before I posted.  In this latest version, I think you may have pulled the vocals down a bit too far because it loses some punch in the finale.  Also, on my system, there is more information in the left channel than the right channel.  I would have liked to have heard the piano spread out over both channels, or, at least, more bass in the right channel (basses don't always have to be centered).  That being said, both your performance and Janet's are right on.  You chose a great song to cover, and because it's so epic, many people know this song well.  Since your voice and Garfunkle's voice are so different in timbre, I might have gone for a total rearrangement of this song so that you could better "own" it.  Nonetheless, you can both be proud of this.  The best to both of you!

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/14 21:54:20 (permalink)
Great performance by both of you.  Weird thing is...I've never liked this song.  That's like blasphemy isn't it?  But I don't need to like it to recognize a good performance.  Are the pianos synths?  Robby has a good sounding voice too.

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Re: A new old one... 2014/01/19 01:05:32 (permalink)
Still working on it, thanks guys.

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