A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs

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2011/09/25 20:05:23 (permalink)

A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs

I think I understand why developers make a visual representation of some 1950s or 1960s studio equipment with analog VU meters, some even looked aged , maybe yellowed a bit or a little worn. They tend to have big black knobs and if they are based on some rack unti they have chrome handles.
I get why they do it, because somehow it is pleasing and I reckon on some level our brain tells us that is really is a vintage piece of analog studio gear.... however, we all know it is all 0s and 1s...
 
I guess my question is do you think developers will move to something that just has small windows where you just change a numerical value? Or something else that has nothing to do with knobs, chrome switches, handles, or meters.... just something completely different and new. I am sure there are things like that but most everything I see is made to look like physical hardware... I think X1 has made a little bit of a step away from trying to look analog. I realize that there is a plus to this if you are using a traditional mixer or controller to control the DAW... then again, if digital plugins and DAWs completely broke from trying to emulate vintage equipment, perhaps control surfaces could evolve into touchpads without sliders or knobs etc.... you know... welcome to the future.
Is it out of the realm of possibility to have phones with a headset mic that would enable you to control a DAW with voice comands?
It seems to me if developers begin to break with trying to make a GUI that looks and works like someting that is 50 to 60 years old... well maybe control can evolve into something extraordinary.. but with the same effects of the plugin and the same DAW operation... just a completely different GUI. Something from a Klingon Bird of Prey.
 
I hope I got my question/comment across without being too confusing. What do you think? Are we stuck with using a mouse or touch to move virtual sliders and turn virtual knobs.
 
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    timidi
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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/25 20:28:23 (permalink)
    Well, considering the angst among many in switching from the familiar Sonar 8.5 to the unfamiliar X1, can you imagine the outcries if the familiar knobs/switches/console view was replaced by little boxes that you enter numbers into? I think it's generational.

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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/25 21:13:32 (permalink)
    Nahhh, the knobs and faders are inherent to the business. They're here to stay even on the DAW's and plugs. 

    Could you imagine a guitar amp with a screen and a numeric keypad? 

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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/25 21:18:16 (permalink)
    I have some plugs that have little in the way of a GUI and some of them are well designed, and some are terrible.  


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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/25 21:49:42 (permalink)
    My favorite plug-ins are the one which take advantage of both approaches - for example, the simplicity of knob - and yet, also take advantage of new possibilities.

    What tends to bother me w/ hardware clones in software is that developers will sometime design their emulation to even stick to certain limitations which have no reason to be in the software world. 

    I understand that maybe that is the point of creating a replica, but I tend to prefer adaptations. 

    My absolute favorite tool these days is DNR's channel strip, MixControl. If I could ask someone to design a plug-in for me, especially tailored for my needs, that's pretty much how it's look like and sound. It does look like hardware, it's nice and inspiring, but it also has modern elements (spectrum display, EQ that can be adjusted directly in the graph, drop down menus). It still has a "feel". 

    I also prefer their approach to the common VU-Meter craze. I mean, they were fine on hardware units, I have them on one of my preamps and on my old open reel machine - but I see no reason for them on my computer - it's just soooo much easier to get a clear reading at a glance with regular meters/leds.

    It's incredibly easy to set-up, it looks good and I find myself sculpting the sound of each channel in a breeze. To me, that is what a plug-in should be.




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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/25 22:34:01 (permalink)
    To get back on topic... Funny you mention that. I was watching a movie earlier and when the animated 3D credit first came on, I started thinking about a 3D audio application, w/ transparencies and ultra modern and sleek design, that'd allow you to do all sort of crazy things. But the movie was starting, so I set my imaginary DAW aside...

    In regards to touch screen. Apple gradually integrated more and more gestures that can be performed w/ the trackpad, preparing users for the latest upgrade of their OS.

    As an exemple, after a minor revision, I discovered that I could now zoom in and out using a simple gesture on the trackpad, most like you'd do on an iPhone, for example. So I can now zoom in my tracks in Logic using two fingers.

    Well, all I can tell you is that I'm still having difficulties adjusting to that after months. Between the times I perform the gesture unwillingly and the times where I'm actually trying to do it but not correctly for it to register, I'm not sure whether I actually like it or hate it. 

    I imagine that getting used to interacting w/o a mouse and a keyboard would take some time, especially w/ something like a DAW software. I mean, it's one thing to struggle with an internet browser, but when you're working on music....

    Incidentally, I just completely erased what I had written by inadvertently swiping across my trackpad - which is the gesture for go back to previous page in Safari on my laptop. :s 


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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/25 22:58:10 (permalink)
    The earlier WAVES stuff was all numerically oriented.  And some of those plugs are still quite nice.  But I'm a sucker for big knobs and flashing lights.  Pun away...

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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/25 23:49:18 (permalink)
    How about Absynth?



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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/26 02:47:21 (permalink)
    It's a matter of usability and ergonomics. The user needs clear and easily perceivable visual information about the settings and doings of the software. To most of us plain numbers are not usable, we need more visual info about the position of the faders, knobs etc. to get the feeling of being in control.

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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/26 08:03:54 (permalink)
    I think the knobs and faders approach tend to make it very usable for folks that might not understand the "deeper" aspects of the science behind the particular FX or sunth.... 

    To have a combination of both as many VST's and FX now offer is, IMHO, the way to go. I use the knobs to do my coarse tuning and the numbers can zero me in on the fine adjustments. That is quite often how I work. 

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    Re:A subjective question about plugins, Daws, and in particular GUIs 2011/09/26 09:53:02 (permalink)
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    Well, considering the angst among many in switching from the familiar Sonar 8.5 to the unfamiliar X1, can you imagine the outcries if the familiar knobs/switches/console view was replaced by little boxes that you enter numbers into? I think it's generational.

    And McQ will beach about the colours of the numerical input, no?
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