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ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
trying to find if there is an explanation of all the act options for making a button on a controller activate a particular function. there are hundreds to choose from it looks like and when I try to assign the functions from the act preset options page this is overwhelming. I can't really tell what a lot of these things do by looking at the name and surely its somewhere in the manual but I can't find it.
I am trying to create a way to switch my guitar input from between 10 tracks while playing live / in the studio so that I can have a variety of tones to switch to. For instance if I am on track 1 a dirty lead tone and I want to add some phase or flanging I can punch a control and switch to either track 2 or 3-10 each having a different effect / sim. This control needs to simultaneously shut the input off to track 1 while activating whatever track I'm wanting to play on. I have a pcr500 and it has 18 + buttons I would like to use in this regard but so far nothing works other than to create snap shots and makers and switching to next and previous marker. I want to switch tones on the fly at my whim not when a programed snap shot dictates. I am sure if I study all the functions there may be a way to accomplish this maybe exclusive solo would help not sure anyone already conquering this beast feel free to chime in.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/14 18:52:57
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/14 21:26:51
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so I copy this into notepad
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 0)
)
Save this as "Select Track 1.cal".
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 1)
)
save this as "Select Track 2.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 2)
)
save this as "Select Track 3.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 3)
)
save this as "Select Track 4.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 4)
)
save this as "Select Track 5.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 5)
)
save this as "Select Track 6.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 6)
)
save this as "Select Track 7.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 7)
)
save this as "Select Track 8.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 1 8)
)
save this as "Select Track 9.cal"
(do
(TrackSelect 0 -1)
(= From 0
(= Thru 0)
(TrackSelect 2 0)
)
save this as "Select Track 10.cal"
Then folow the instructions for creating a binding right?
do we store these note pad files were the cal is located? C:\Cakewalk Content\SONAR X1 Producer\CAL Scripts
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/14 21:39:03
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selecting the tracks is cool but after you select the track how does selecting the track silence the other tracks out of the ten tracks. Your playing a project and on a guitar sim on track one and you want to stop track one and at that now time start to play on track 2 with another sim active or any other track.
If I am guessing you could make this cover 20 tracks if you had a way to bind them to other keybindings. I think you can even assign that keybinding to buttons on my pcr500
is there an option to select a track and when its selected it starts to record?
am so new to this.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/14 22:29:45
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my suspicion is that this is beyond the scope of ACT. It sounds like a recipe for all kinds of problems using Sonar IMO. I see the kind of flexibility you're looking for with signal routing ad control, and salute your creativity, but short of writing a custom controller plugin, I don't see how it could happen. I would love for a real expert, such as you inquired after, to hop in here and tell me how wrong I am - the flexibility to do what you're after would open a lot of doors in all kinds of areas for me in Sonar.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/14 23:45:17
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oh if worse comes to worse I will have to dig through and experiment with bomes midi translator classic version (its free)to see how to use it. With that program you can create a macro of keystrokes that are activated by a midi controller so basically you structure several key commands in the right order and you can do this with that I just don't have a lot of free time this is a hobby not a career for me and I would really need to study like mad to figure that program out and integrate it with my DAW. I will go to the trouble to see if I can make SToons idea work it sounds like its a lot easier to pull off than messing with learning bomes.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/14 23:48:13
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OK. Can we please check into reality world, Cake? It is often very au****ious to use a word like su****ion. I mean, it's not exactly a ****y term, except maybe in the spic-n-span world of this board. Censoring it in a poorly done grab at political correctness is de****able. Oh well, I'll try not to be so con****uous next time.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 01:42:35
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OK, my first idea was a case of premature extrapolation.
I do apologize. Let's forget that incident ever happened. Who knows, maybe someday you'll find a use for the CALS.
It may actually be possible to do fairly easily (fingers crossed...). I'm not familiar with ACT but there are other options using the Remote option. Problem is I have no controller on hand to confirm and I'm using 8.5.3 not X1 so there may be differences.
In 8.5.3 you right-click on the Input Echo button of an audio track and an option will show called "Remote". You can assign MIDI control to the Input Echo button/switch, be it note, controller, mod wheel, sysex etc. to remotely turn the echo on and off. In -theory- (says Homer) you could use notes (keys), for example have the note C1 turn the input echo on and off in track 1. If you have ten plugins on ten tracks, in -theory- you could use C1 to activate/de-activate track 1, D1 to activate/de-activate track 2 etc. Of course if this works you could use any MIDI control method you choose to allow turning each track on and off, so to speak, via the Input Echo switch.
One drawback is it might require hitting two keys/buttons not just one as you might want to disable one track and enable another at the same time, although in -theory- you should be able to press two keys/buttons simultaneously. One benefit is this would easily allow stacking multiple sounds as well - you could play thru any two, three...for that matter all ten tracks simultaneously.
Keep me posted if you get a chance to try it, as a guitarist I find it an intriguing idea.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 02:16:51
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I just though of the same solution as you, SToons! ;D
But then there's the problem with switching off the echos you don't want when turning on the next..
Maybe it would be easier to remote control the solo buttons instead? ..One (piano)key on the pcr500 for each track's solo button.
And if you want to go crazy and change the tone with your foot (and have your hands free for guitar playing) you could have some space between the remote keys making it easy to just hit the one you want to activate.. :)
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 02:49:52
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Loptec
I just though of the same solution as you, SToons! ;D
You know what they say, great minds...;-p Of course maybe crazy people think alike too!
But then there's the problem with switching off the echos you don't want when turning on the next..
Yes, you'll notice I also mentioned that. Like you I also thought of Solo or Mute..but as I said six of one, half dozen of the other...I think any way you arrange it it may take a little tap dancing to suit individual use, in case one wants to layer sounds ie. using two or three tracks at the same time. Don't forget, if one track is in Solo mode and you Solo another the original track will still be in the Solo state so it will have to be "De-Soloed" anyways. Still involves two keys.
Maybe it would be easier to remote control the solo buttons instead? ..One (piano)key on the pcr500 for each track's solo button.
And if you want to go crazy and change the tone with your foot (and have your hands free for guitar playing) you could have some space between the remote keys making it easy to just hit the one you want to activate.. :)
LOL! Well, I was thinking more along the lines of using my MIDI foot controller, but hey, whatever works! You might consider this: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct06/articles/sonalog.htm Play video games and compose/perform simultaneously! Or if you want to use any and every body part, including your ****, ***, and *******, maybe this: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Oct01/articles/soundbeam.asp
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 03:03:22
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haha! yeah for sure! :) It doesn't matter if we've got great minds or just are crazy though as longs as we're happy, right? ;D ..About remote controlling the solo buttons... I forgot to mention that for this to work you need to select the "Solo Exlusive"-button (just under the Solo/Unsolo all tracks button in the Mix Module in the toolbar) :) By doing this only one track can be soloed at a time, wich means that the tracks automaticly will unsolo as soon as you solo the next one. The problem with this though (there always is one, isn't there) is that you can't have a track in the project with music to play along with, since only one track can be heard at a time and this always will be one of the guitar-tracks..
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 03:19:55
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Loptec
haha! yeah for sure! :)
It doesn't matter if we've got great minds or just are crazy though as longs as we're happy, right? ;D
..About remote controlling the solo buttons... I forgot to mention that for this to work you need to select the "Solo Exlusive"-button (just under the Solo/Unsolo all tracks button in the Mix Module in the toolbar) :)
OK, now you add something useful...j/k of course. What would be cool is if you could remote the Solo Exclusive button...then you could have the option to easily use several tracks at once. I don't see a way to use Remote but -in theory- a Key Binding using another MIDI note to switch Solo Exclusive on/off would give full flexibility. Now if it was actually listed in the Tracks menu as the manual claims....always some obstacle! Of course I'm using 8.5.3, YMMV.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 03:51:23
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Yeah, that would be cool! =D It's not possible to remote-control the solo exlusive button, but it IS possible to create a shortcut for it :) The thing with midi-shortcuts though is that you need to send two MIDI messages to make it work. One as a shift key (that activates the midi-shortcut function) and then the other one to execute the command. I guess it would be possible to just (if using a MIDI-keyboard) use two keys next to each other for this shortcut, to make it easy to hit both keys at once.. :)
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2012/08/15 06:41:17
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Loptec
Yeah, that would be cool! =D
It's not possible to remote-control the solo exlusive button, but it IS possible to create a shortcut for it :)
The thing with midi-shortcuts though is that you need to send two MIDI messages to make it work. One as a shift key (that activates the midi-shortcut function) and then the other one to execute the command.
I guess it would be possible to just (if using a MIDI-keyboard) use two keys next to each other for this shortcut, to make it easy to hit both keys at once.. :)
It appears that you don't need to send two MIDI messages (use two keys) - in Key Bindings under Type Of Key choose MIDI and check the Enabled box. Underneath, in the left list, you now see notes like C0, C#0 etc. In the right list under Global Bindings, just above the CAL routines, you can find Solo Exclusive and then bind that to a MIDI key. It would appear the MIDI shift settings are there as a safety so that someone who actually plays the keyboard will not trigger a command by playing a note, they must hold the designated "Shift" key/button that has been bound before the other bound key will have an effect. But since I can't check this till later correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 08:08:58
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Loptec
Yeah, that would be cool! =D
It's not possible to remote-control the solo exlusive button, but it IS possible to create a shortcut for it :)
The thing with midi-shortcuts though is that you need to send two MIDI messages to make it work. One as a shift key (that activates the midi-shortcut function) and then the other one to execute the command.
I guess it would be possible to just (if using a MIDI-keyboard) use two keys next to each other for this shortcut, to make it easy to hit both keys at once.. :)
It appears that you don't need to send two MIDI messages (use two keys) - in Key Bindings under Type Of Key choose MIDI and check the Enabled box. Underneath, in the left list, you now see notes like C0, C#0 etc. In the right list under Global Bindings, just above the CAL routines, you can find Solo Exclusive and then bind that to a MIDI key. It would appear the MIDI shift settings are there as a safety so that someone who actually plays the keyboard will not trigger a command by playing a note, they must hold the designated "Shift" key/button that has been bound before the other bound key will have an effect. But since I can't check this till later correct me if I'm mistaken.
unfortunately i don't think that the midi-shift function is an option you can deactivate I've been experimenting a bit with this (it was some time ago so i don't remember exactly what i was trying to do).. But as I remember it I wasn't able to choose if I wanted to use MIDI-shift of not.. :/
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 08:42:52
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FWIW - I'm at Panera at the moment enjoying a bagel and my daily forum hopping so I can't test this - and it may not be what you want anywho but...
I remember doing something similar with keyboard patches. What worked for my case was setting up a track for each patch I intended to use and arranged them top down in the order I needed them for the song set.
Set each track to a different MIDI channel (skipping 10 of course if not needed) and the input to Omni.
Select the first track and play. When i needed the next patch i just hit the Down Arrow to highlight next track. Voila - instant patch change.
Now here is where ACT may come in to help. I am 99.9% sure that the up and down arrows are options for key binding and/or ACT. So if it's a dual foot switch, make those assignments and run up and down and through your patches 'till your fingers drop.
Again, my apologies if this isn't even close to what the OP desired. Please don't chastise me as I only have one feeling (and that is IDGAS) :-)
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 10:18:54
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that might work if we know what patches we want and in what order but every song would require a project including covers. where as if we could just create a project with 10 or so patches that we could switch freely between in a single project that might work for 15 songs and save us a lot of creating projects and if we can remote the foot switches to go directly to the track that we want. Your idea works for songs we are writing though on usage of synths. An Idea I had been toying with is setting up snap shots to turn on and off the amp sims at markers and spread the markers out 10 minutes in a project. Certainly we would make a change before 10 minutes elapses. If we have to rely on using previous and next marker commands to move in the project we can get to different markers instantly and that would activate a snap shot turning on and off the appropriate amp sims so only the one we want to play is active. If we were recording we could always align parts later. Looping for takes could allow going past 10 minutes. You can assign the move to next marker command is the options for buttons in act presets for any controller and they also have a command for previous marker. If we had a command for move now time to marker A and others for marker B through Z then this would be a nice work around till cakewalk engineers figure out that guitarists are people to.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/15 10:23:32
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also sonar develops synths for all the keyboardists but all we guitar players seem to get is watered down light versions of amp sims with one or 2 amps. How hard can it be to do something nice for us guitarists when your parent company is Roland who makes guitar modeling products? REVALVER is the king of amp sims if you ask me the realism on amp tone is almost up there with hardware units such as axe fx from what I hear on those kinds of forums. Of course a kemper is probably the way to go now. Oh well after I spend $1800 + on one of those I probably won't want to use my amp sims much more.
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2012/08/15 21:09:07
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hats off to all you guys, clever, creative stuff you're thinking. Expanded my horizons, it did. Can't believe that key binding never crossed my mind to solve your problem. You guys rock!
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2012/08/16 02:19:38
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that might work if we know what patches we want and in what order but every song would require a project including covers. where as if we could just create a project with 10 or so patches that we could switch freely between in a single project that might work for 15 songs and save us a lot of creating projects and if we can remote the foot switches to go directly to the track that we want. Your idea works for songs we are writing though on usage of synths.
An Idea I had been toying with is setting up snap shots to turn on and off the amp sims at markers and spread the markers out 10 minutes in a project. Certainly we would make a change before 10 minutes elapses. If we have to rely on using previous and next marker commands to move in the project we can get to different markers instantly and that would activate a snap shot turning on and off the appropriate amp sims so only the one we want to play is active. If we were recording we could always align parts later. Looping for takes could allow going past 10 minutes. You can assign the move to next marker command is the options for buttons in act presets for any controller and they also have a command for previous marker. If we had a command for move now time to marker A and others for marker B through Z then this would be a nice work around till cakewalk engineers figure out that guitarists are people to.
First of all, thanks M5, I for one appreciate the comments. @myconsumerclub I'm a little, hmmmm, what's the word here.... First of all you asked for a situation that allows multiple patches. This is what we gave you. As many patches as you have buttons and keys on your controller using as many different simulators, synths or effects as you like, or, that will max out your CPU, all in one easy solution. That is potentially alot more than 10-15 patches if you care to actually try and test what has been suggested. Secondly I'm lost by your opening statements as they make no sense. The methods described would not only allow switching arbitrarily thru numerous patches, as many as you can set up in absolutely any order but would also allow layering multiple patches. Did you not read what was written? With what was suggested the need for markers is zero. How is switching between 10 markers in any order easier or more beneficial to switching between 10 tracks in any order different? I fail to see the logic.. And finally, not even a word to suggest you comprehend what was written, nor a thank you, all you write is that it doesn't "seem" to work as you would like and yet it sure seems you have not understood nor tested the suggestions. Your welcome.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/16 02:34:20
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also sonar develops synths for all the keyboardists but all we guitar players seem to get is watered down light versions of amp sims with one or 2 amps. How hard can it be to do something nice for us guitarists when your parent company is Roland who makes guitar modeling products? Sonar ships with SessionDrummer 3 (lite as no professional drum patches are included), Dimension LE (a lite version, they sell the full version), Rapture LE (a lite version, they sell the full version), and Z3ta+ (another lite version, they sell the full version). Roland ships TTS-1, a cheap but functional GM synth, and Groove Player, another functional but hardly high end synth. So, no, they don't short change guitarists more than others. Sonar is a DAW, not a GTR processor. You want more functionality, buy a dedicated setup like Guitar Rig with the included Foot Controller. You want to integrate every GTR modeler available into one easy setup? Well don't expect companies with a vested interest to make using the competition easy. It can be done with some creative workarounds as has been shown. And don't blame Sonar that you don't go out and buy a $100 dedicated MIDI foot controller that would likely make it even easier. My POD is a dream to use in Sonar. So is GR3 from Waves. And Amplitube. But what you want is for them to instantly integrate together as if they are all one product and that's for the "individual" to solve, not the host company. You might like Coke mixed with Pepsi but don't expect to find it anytime soon in your neighbourhood grocery.
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2012/08/16 11:17:44
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my goal is to be able to make it happen with one control press not 2. If your playing guitar then tap dancing to hit 2 foot switches is a major pain. I'm new here and not the brightest user of sonar but isn't using input echo leaving the signal going through all the tracks and using CPU with all the amp sims active. I am curious about how to do this in a way were the amp sims are not a drain on the cpu so that as we play and switch to a new track the old track isn't sending a signal through the amp sim still so it doesn't add to un needed cpu usage. You guys know more than me I just am thinking in terms of keeping cpu usage down and how to best allow for more selection of tones to use. Z3ta and Dim pro are both on my system as full blown products not lite versions so yes we are getting short changed. That's 2 synths for keyboardists I think it is only fair to give us guitarists a full version of an amp modeling product since many guitarists don't play keys and we out number keyboardists as potential clients. lots of bands have 3 or 4 guitarists and only one keyboardist if any at all. Improving session drummer and making it a rival of Superior Drummer 2 and BFD would get them high praise from me if they did that. Come on now dream with me a little it's my birthday. I'm going to snag a roland gr55 next major purchase so I guess I will have a foot switch to use soon and the ability to play guitar into soft synths so that will be cool when I can do that next month. Probably want a behringer fcb1010 after that. It has 10 foot switches so that is why I limit the discussion to 10 patches but hey more is better. If there was a suggestion made that works I missed please point it out I might have missed it in reading through to fast.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/16 11:21:12
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Doesn't using exclusive solo still send signal through an amp sim? If not then that might work and keep CPU usage down so we could use more tracks.
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Re:ACT EXPERTS INPUT NEEDED can we do this to switch patches
2012/08/16 11:48:04
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Of course using exclusive solo would keep the backing track from being heard as well
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