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ACT Poll
I love to know how many sonar users think ACT needs to be redesigned . Does it work as intended all the time for you ?
How many times do you have to fiddle with the settings to make it work?
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I could never figure out how the heck it works... admittedly I didn't try very hard. If I can't manually set the controller to a parameter in Sonar or use the right click MIDI learn feature (which may be part of ACT... IDK) then I just don't bother. I should probably learn how to use ACT properly though.
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I use it with my Roland PCR to manage my synth and plugs,it's okay here.
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Midi learn .. ? Last time midi learn worked for me was sonar 6 ..
When using your Roland PRC how many times did you have reset up act in preferences ? And dose it work every time you wanna map a knob? My akai mpk 49 frequently needs to be set up over and over..
I never can just grab a knob and learn it 1,2,3 . Always fiddling to get it to work .
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MIDI learn is indeed very hit or miss. I'd say it works for about 50% of the parameters I've tried it with and sometimes it will respond to certain controls on my controllers but not others. Kind of strange actually and the way it works seems to be different in different areas of the program. One nice thing though is it seems to work quite well with FX Chains so if you set up the effects in the chain to respond to the chain's controls then map those controls to the controller the success rate goes way up. Obviously that only works for things you can cram into an FX Chain though. That actually gave me an idea. Wouldn't it be cool if we could send channel and other parameters to the FX Chains? It would make it a convenient place to control a whole range of related stuff in one place while taking advantage of the better MIDI communication set up. There is however Channel Tools which works great in the Chain Modules and it controls many of the things you'd do right on the console strips anyway so it's a nice alternative.
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It has worked ok for me when I use it, which admittedly isn't all that often. I use it with my AlphaTrack and with my GR20 Guitar Synth so I can use the pedal on the GR20 to control pedals in TH2.
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I combine ACT and Remote Control (MIDI learn) together because ACT alone doesn't allow my MIDI keyboard (A-800PRO) to control tracks/buses flexibly. I sent a feature request for ACT redesign (A-Pro control surface plugin redesign to be more precise) early this year but I'm not sure if CW cares about ACT anymore.
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Funny this thread came out. I just pulled out my Axiom 61. I need to set it up in X2.
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I think ACT could be a lot more user friendly. I have found it very unintuitive and haven't had much luck getting it to work.
When I have tried to work it, I found it did weird things that weren't consistent and didn't seem to keep my settings.
I have since ignored it.
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Re: ACT Poll
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☄ Helpfulby rmorter 2013/07/06 13:33:33
ACT is a good idea that could use a better implementation.
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It works sometimes for me and then suddenly....it doesn't. Like many have e pressed, I don't try too hard and figure it's probably just me being too lazy/impatient to tweak it.
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I also find I have to sometimes set it up again for no apparent reason.
It could definitely use a re-design to be more user-friendly. It's quite convoluted to use the way it currently is.
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Never could figure it out. I like the idea. I always ended up giving up and just use midi learn.
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Haven't tried it with the X series but I did have limited success with previous versions of Sonar. For plugins it was pretty simple but with the console view and busses it was way too complicated. Especially since the Mackie HUI feature was working fine my control surface at the time (Roland SI24). I've gave up on it get since. To add insult to injury Cakewalk and Novation wont get their "ACT" together and get Automap working with the ProChannel. On a brighter note I am completely happy with Multitouch, my Logictech M570 wireless trackball, my Contour Shuttle Xpress, and a keyboard (shortcuts). No longer need or want ACT, Automap, or the Mackie HUI stuff for mixing.
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I find its implementation to be too flaky for actual use (this is the ACT MIDI Controller, Roland HW that has its own ACT implementation is probably a completely different story).
The idea itself is a good one. Propellerhead did essentially the same thing, but actually got it right.
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Unfortunately, ACT is a bit like Audiosnap, VVocal, Notation and a few other features. They get implemented but never updated and all the bugs worked out.
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I use ACT to control plugins from the VS-700C and it does work, but is tedious to set up every time  many (especially cake plugs) come with random default assignments / ordering of how parameters are exposed to the control surface i.e. you have to change the ACT mapping whenever you want to use it, but then these assignments are not remembered between software restarts or between different projects I did file a problem report on that half a year ago, but it came back saying that this is something support should be able to solve ... but actually support was totally unaware of what ACT does and would it should be doing (i.e. is it a bug or not, what was ACT designed for in the first place) ... so a number of mails back an forth and no solution to anything ...
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ACT Absolutely rocks.
If it has one shortcoming it is that it "assigns" hardware controls to fx widgets in the order that the fx developer provides them which may not be logical such as left to right on the GUI you are looking at.
There is not really anything Sonar can realistically do about that so they do provide you with ACT learn
so you can map ACT assignments by fx and that assignment is persisted.
Come to think of it, A Clear ACT learn for a particular FX would be nice. As it is now you have to hand edit some XML to do that
ACT still rocks though.
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bitman
ACT Absolutely rocks.
If it has one shortcoming it is that it "assigns" hardware controls to fx widgets in the order that the fx developer provides them which may not be logical such as left to right on the GUI you are looking at.
There is not really anything Sonar can realistically do about that so they do provide you with ACT learn
so you can map ACT assignments by fx and that assignment is persisted.
Come to think of it, A Clear ACT learn for a particular FX would be nice. As it is now you have to hand edit some XML to do that
ACT still rocks though.
What type of midi controller are you using ? Roland? So your saying every single time you go to map a knob using ACT all you do is activate ACT twist a knob, the parameter then ACT and your knob is mapped , and this happens every single time as aspected for you? You never have to go into preferences and reset up your midi devices? EVER?
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I tried it and found it very flaky with my old Evolution MK-449C so I abandoned it. I thought that it was because my MIDI controller was so old but after reading this thread I now think that ACT was another half implemented idea.
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ACT works fine for me but I do find that I need to (re-)configure it via the ACT-learn functionality for most effects and plugins (even though I use a PCR-300 which is supposed to be 'nicely pre-configured' to work in Sonar).
There is one main difference between using ACT-learnt controls and MIDI-learnt controls that I figured out recently (after a fair bit of confused head-scratching), which is this: MIDI-learn only differentiates based on CC number whereas ACT can also differentiate based on MIDI channel number. e.g. all of 8 'Rx' rotary controls on the PCR-300 use the same MIDI CC but are spread across 8 MIDI channels. In other words, you cannot MIDI-learn those 8 controls to 8 different target parameters on the same plugin as MIDI-learn sees them all as the same controller.
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ACT works fine for me but I do find that I need to (re-)configure it via the ACT-learn functionality for most effects and plugins (even though I use a PCR-300 which is supposed to be 'nicely pre-configured' to work in Sonar). There is one main difference between using ACT-learnt controls and MIDI-learnt controls that I figured out recently (after a fair bit of confused head-scratching), which is this: MIDI-learn only differentiates based on CC number whereas ACT can also differentiate based on MIDI channel number. e.g. all of 8 'Rx' rotary controls on the PCR-300 use the same MIDI CC but are spread across 8 MIDI channels. In other words, you cannot MIDI-learn those 8 controls to 8 different target parameters on the same plugin as MIDI-learn sees them all as the same controller.
How does it work fine if you have reconfig it? And you have the controller designed to work flawless with ACT . My point to this whole thread is , in hopes that the powers to be are listening , ACT needs a revamp , or bring back midi learn the way it use to be ..
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bitman
ACT Absolutely rocks.
If it has one shortcoming it is that it "assigns" hardware controls to fx widgets in the order that the fx developer provides them which may not be logical such as left to right on the GUI you are looking at.
There is not really anything Sonar can realistically do about that so they do provide you with ACT learn
so you can map ACT assignments by fx and that assignment is persisted.
Come to think of it, A Clear ACT learn for a particular FX would be nice. As it is now you have to hand edit some XML to do that
ACT still rocks though.
hi bitman could you shed some light on which XML file to edit to get a persistant ACT mapping. it's always the same plugs that require ACT re-learn. so fixing that in some XML file would be fine with me, if you could pls explain how. thanks.
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What I'd like to see is being able to build my act controller easier. For instance drag and drop pads, buttons, knobs, sliders, foot pedal, and levers and organize, name and assign to hardware. I've never gotten past that part to see if assigning the act controller controls to various vsti or vsts etc works.
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ACT is a crock of steaming poo. I can get it set up and working okay, but the settings never stick, which means setting it up on a per use basis.
Life is too short. Haven't touched it in over a year. Along with VVocal and Audiosnap, it is one of the bigger disappointments (for me) in Sonar. It promised so much and delivered so little.
I'm using a Yamaha KX49 btw.
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bitman
ACT Absolutely rocks.
If it has one shortcoming it is that it "assigns" hardware controls to fx widgets in the order that the fx developer provides them which may not be logical such as left to right on the GUI you are looking at.
There is not really anything Sonar can realistically do about that so they do provide you with ACT learn
so you can map ACT assignments by fx and that assignment is persisted.
Come to think of it, A Clear ACT learn for a particular FX would be nice. As it is now you have to hand edit some XML to do that
ACT still rocks though.
hi bitman
could you shed some light on which XML file to edit to get a persistant ACT mapping. it's always the same plugs that require ACT re-learn. so fixing that in some XML file would be fine with me, if you could pls explain how. thanks.
Warning: Flying by hazy memory on this but: Under XP: In C:\Documents and Settings\<USERNAME>\Application Data\Cakewalk\ACT Data There are some XMLs I copied the ACT Data folder to make a safety copy then went into the ACT Data folder and deleted some files. There is SonarACT/XML 8.5? and SonarACTX1.xml etc. Deleting these that pertained to the sonar version in question deleted all my "custom" maps so as to be able to start over. In win vista/7 and 8 the folder is likely to be found in \users\<username>\appdata ......etc
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bitman
ACT Absolutely rocks.
If it has one shortcoming it is that it "assigns" hardware controls to fx widgets in the order that the fx developer provides them which may not be logical such as left to right on the GUI you are looking at.
There is not really anything Sonar can realistically do about that so they do provide you with ACT learn
so you can map ACT assignments by fx and that assignment is persisted.
Come to think of it, A Clear ACT learn for a particular FX would be nice. As it is now you have to hand edit some XML to do that
ACT still rocks though.
hi bitman
could you shed some light on which XML file to edit to get a persistant ACT mapping. it's always the same plugs that require ACT re-learn. so fixing that in some XML file would be fine with me, if you could pls explain how. thanks.
Warning: Flying by hazy memory on this but: Under XP: In C:\Documents and Settings\<USERNAME>\Application Data\Cakewalk\ACT Data There are some XMLs I copied the ACT Data folder to make a safety copy then went into the ACT Data folder and deleted some files. There is SonarACT/XML 8.5? and SonarACTX1.xml etc. Deleting these that pertained to the sonar version in question deleted all my "custom" maps so as to be able to start over. In win vista/7 and 8 the folder is likely to be found in \users\<username>\appdata ......etc
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How does it work fine if you have reconfig it? And you have the controller designed to work flawless with ACT . Yes, it works absolutely fine and consistently after I re-map in ACT. The initial (default) 'ACT mapping' between controllers on the PCR-300 and the plugins' parameters isn't very good (in my opinion), but a) it's very little work to remap - it just takes a few seconds and b) I prefer to create my own mapping that makes sense to me anyway - I can remember the mapping much easier then. I've even ACT mapped from the 'Touch DAW' android application running on my Nexus 7, over wireless rtpMIDI onto the PC, through a virtual midi cable into 'midi doodle' to convert the X-Y touchscreen controller to polar (angle/radius) coordinates, through another virtual cable into Sonar and thence onto Omnisphere's 'ORB' controller. It's somewhat easier if you have an iPad ofc ;-)
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I was messing with these files a while ago when trying to figure out why ACT settings are not retained between Sonar restarts. My observation was that X2a doesn't seem to write to these files and I could't find any other file it might have written to ...
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