michaelhanson
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AD2 or EZD2
Ok, so you guys that have both, which would it be, if for now you could only upgrade one? I may have to wait 3-4 months to do the other. Tomorrow, I am going to pull the trigger on one of these drum upgrades.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/15 23:57:13
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I only have AD that came with X3. And I haven't used it much if at all. But I have used EZD. And EZD2 is something I would want to have, just for it's help in song writing. It's not prefect, but it's the best thing to come along to help- a song writer out for sure. The ability to add/take away from a midi clip is fantastic. You can now build your own kit out of the kit pieces in EZD2 and any EZX you have. I could go on and on, but it's up to you. I will end saying I highly recommend EZD2.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 06:18:23
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I don't own EZD (Superior 2.0 owner), but I just upgraded AD. I'd say that EZD looks like a bigger update. AD2 is nice with the new browser and the upgraded/polished kits, but not essential!
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 06:53:11
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MakeShift Ok, so you guys that have both, which would it be, if for now you could only upgrade one? I may have to wait 3-4 months to do the other. Tomorrow, I am going to pull the trigger on one of these drum upgrades.
MS...I have both....to me, AD2 sounds better then EZ2... Advantages to EZ2 are that you have the "Tap to Find" which makes it quick and easy to find a beat to match the material you are working with. It also has the "Song Creator" which will make recommendations on parts for Intro, Verse, Chorus, etc...based on your input. In AD 2 you can use more kit pieces, the sound is greatly improved, and the kits are now all separate. Mostly an interface and sound update. I'm quite pleased with the update. BOTH offer something new and useful. So it's really a matter of what you want to accomplish.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 07:58:47
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I just posted this in the other thread...it's AD2's equivalent of "Tap to Find", it's called "Grid Search"
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 08:02:02
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I just found another gem in AD2.... Grid Search...it allows you to find the beat you want easily, just by putting the beat you want/hear into a grid and it will find the related beats...not as simple as tap to find, but just as useful... It's at the top left on the "Beats" Page...in the red oval.... So that knocks another tick off the list for AD2....
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 08:39:13
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As Larry says, to each his own. I say if you have more paks in either version 1 of the two products then get version 2 of that one. If its a first time buy then you are going to have to decide on your own. I'm no expert but I generally have found what I need in EZD but have got some good stuff fron AD as well, just not as much.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 09:09:22
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If I had it to do all over again, I'd still pick EZD2. For me, it's about getting the midi drum performance done quickly and EZD2 comes in first in that regard. AD2 has more internal sound modification features but once I get to that stage, I will either switch to multi-out mode in EZD2 and process in my host program or switch to Superior Drummer. As for sound, with it's libraries recorded by world class producers and engineers in various recording studios worldwide, EZD2 wins that contest, as well for me.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 10:18:49
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I've got to agree with Bapu. Which one have you got the biggest investment in? You really can't go wrong here. As a guitar player songwriter, EZD2 is perfect for me. It really helps to save time getting the midi arranged. After that's done I have all kinds of options. AD2 sounds great and is well worth the investment, but knowing what you do...I would suggest EZD2 even though it has some bugs. I'm just going to use the simple instrument option until they get the multi output bug fixed. It's really not a big deal anyway with the improved mixer. I can't engineer drums to sound better than what Toontrack has done. If I want a less processed and more natural kit...well that's when AD2 comes in.
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michaelhanson
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 12:09:31
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Great answers guys. The only expansion pak that I have in AD1 is the Indie Kit. I don't have any of the expansions for EZD1, so I guess I am kind of starting out from square one with both companies. I also have Steven Slate Drums. I am thinking that EZD2 might be the best way for me to go, for the ease of song writing and building the initial song midi for drums. I am assuming that if I wanted too, I could pull that midi info, afterwords, int0 AD1 or Slate and use either of those 2 drum processors to change up my drum samples. I hope to upgrade to AD2 later in the year. Most of you really seem to like the Rock expansion track for EZD2, as well.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 13:04:22
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MakeShift Great answers guys. The only expansion pak that I have in AD1 is the Indie Kit. I don't have any of the expansions for EZD1, so I guess I am kind of starting out from square one with both companies. I also have Steven Slate Drums. I am thinking that EZD2 might be the best way for me to go, for the ease of song writing and building the initial song midi for drums. I am assuming that if I wanted too, I could pull that midi info, afterwords, int0 AD1 or Slate and use either of those 2 drum processors to change up my drum samples. I hope to upgrade to AD2 later in the year. Most of you really seem to like the Rock expansion track for EZD2, as well.
Remember also...you will get (I think) 5 kits with EZD2 called modern and vintage. You would get 4 with the AD2 upgrade. I believe you would be very happy with EZD2 for now, and yes, you can then use that midi with any of your other drum samplers. I have a EZ drummer map I found and installed in AD just for that purpose, but the general midi map may do the same thing. Some of the other guys may be able to tell you more.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 13:17:28
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 14:57:57
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I have Superior Drummer 2, AD1, and BFD Eco. I have to say for my uses Superior gets used 99% of the time. I use AD1 in live performance situations because it loads lightning fast but I miss the polished sound of Superior. BFD Eco has a great sound but has not impressed me enough to bump up to BFD 3. I used to use Battery 3 with a lot of custom librarys but Superior Drummer won me over.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 16:12:59
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 21:46:13
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batsbrew SD2
...is seriously getting long in the tooth! I suspect Superior 3.0 is following soon after EZD2. If Toontrack wants to compete with BFD3 n'all...
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 22:02:48
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I read somewhere, where someone mentioned that it might not be in Toontrack's best interest to immediately follow up EZD2 with a new release of Superior. Might act like putting the brakes on the sales of EZD2, especially if Superior gets as good an overhaul (that EZD2 did) with a 3.0 version. But maybe early 2015 or next fall at the earliest might be OK with the bean counters.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 22:05:27
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I am pretty sure Chris Whitten, who played on the classic Ezx, mentioned on gearslutz that SD3 is not being worked on at all right now.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/16 23:38:52
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cclarry
the sound is greatly improved,
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How so? Can you expound?
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 03:39:53
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Am I alone who can't get drum tracks created using Toontrack grooves to work nicely with other software even after re-mapping? The velocities are almost always an issue. Strangely enough though, EZ will play other's grooves just fine. For me that's a pain in the neck - I love to write using EZ but in spite of all the EZX I own, most of the time I prefer other options sound-wise.
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twaddle
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 04:24:41
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Wrong post
post edited by twaddle - 2014/05/17 04:25:54
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 04:30:27
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gmon72 I am pretty sure Chris Whitten, who played on the classic Ezx, mentioned on gearslutz that SD3 is not being worked on at all right now.
I find that hard to believe and If it's true and they haven't even started on Superior 3 then that would make it a good 3 years away at least? I'm basing that on the fact that BFD3 was 4 or 5 years in development and another year beta testing before release. Steve
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 06:36:22
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 07:12:51
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vintagevibe
cclarry
the sound is greatly improved,
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How so? Can you expound?
EDIT: Misread that...my own post about AD2... With AD2 I had to download all new samples when installing it, which is what leads me to believe that the the samples have been "redone" and, in the case of AD2, they DO sound like it...but the ones in EZ2 are the same samples that were used by EZ1....
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twaddle
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 07:37:05
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gmon72 Look at posts 92 and 94 here
http://www.gearslutz.com/...ailable-may-6th-4.html
Even though I like to play around with all of the products, bfd 3 is my go to. I'm not sure why I don't stop buying everything else!
Thanks gmon72 Still really don't understand why toontrack would just let superior drummer go to seed which is kind of what they're doing if that info is all true I don't have superior but have most of the others and like you, BFD3 is my go to as was BFD2 and I don't see that ever changing. I would have been interested to see what Superior drummer 3 might have brought to the table but it looks like I'll be an old man should that day ever arrive. I have to say though, I'm quite intrigued by EZdrummer 2's tap to find and may at some point upgrade but I have always preferred to create my own drums for two reasons, one is a principle thing and the other is that it just takes too long to find anything that comes close to what I'm looking for anyway so it just seems quicker to create my own as I usually know what's required. This new tap to find might go some way eliminating that problem so that just leaves me to wrestle with my principles Steve
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 08:53:52
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Steve, that was my biggest hold up creating a song, finding the right groove.
I started out on principle too in the beginning. I didn't want anyone to think that my music was "computer generated." So when people asked how I did it, I explained to them how I enter each and every beat. And they say,"On a computer?" I answer yes. "Oh, computer music," they'd say!! I gave up.
I now tell them I have a drummer on the internet that sends me the beats!! And they say "Kool!" And to a certain point it's true. But I find to get it right I still have to enter a lot of fills, space, and extra beats to make it truly fit.
EZD2 has made this easier.
And Larry, I installed AD on my home computer just to see and play around with it. I gotta say I like the UI. It also has a lot of control. And even on those speakers I have on that PC, AD sounded pretty damn good!
Might have to see about getting the old music maker hooked up to the net long enough to install it.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 09:42:32
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I suppose for me, it is a budget issue at the moment. I am thinking I can do the AD2 bump, currently. When that changes I'll get the EZD2. It has features I think I would really enjoy, like I did with Groove Agent 2. I might even upgrade BFD3! But I would really rather get used to/good at one drum program! I appreciate all your comments, issues, pluses and minuses. It reminds me to slow down and choose well. Michael
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 10:56:46
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I will second the request to have someone explain how they create beats in EZ2 then use that in AD. If I use the GM map, it not only messes with the velocities, but kit pieces are wrong as well (HH becomes ride, toms are off). CAn anyone explain how this is best accomplished? Thanks.
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clintmartin
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 11:06:08
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On the old xln forum (which seems to be gone) they had an EZ drummer map. I have it and it works great. I have to go out for awhile but when I get back I'll try to find it, and post it some how.
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 11:09:45
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You would have to remap AD to the EZ map using the "Map Window" EZ2 lacks this feature...so, in AD2, here, you would create a "Map" for EZ2 and save it. Then, after you have composed the song in EZ2 you would replace with AD2 and set AD2 to the EZ2 map and WAH LAH!
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clintmartin
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Re: AD2 or EZD2
2014/05/17 11:13:14
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AD2 doesn't have that map though...you have to install it. Right? I did.
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