Amicus717
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AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
Hi folks, This one is a work in progress that I started last year in Sonar, and I've spent the past two weeks completely re-doing it in Cubase (I wanted a fresh start on it anyway, and demo'ing Cubase seemed like the perfect time to do that). Unlike a lot of my stuff, which is hybrid orchestral, this one is a rare full symphonic piece (aside from the opening bit), and has proven to be quite challenging - but also very educational. https://soundcloud.com/amicusaudio/aelwyns-saga Libraries used (in no particular order)... Strings: Albion ONE (all spiccato/staccato/sustain strings parts), 8Dio Anthology Strings (prominent legato string parts), Sonokinetic DaCapo (sordino-ish quiet string parts) Brass: Hollywood Brass, NI Symphonic Essentials Brass Ensembles, Kontakt Library's included VSL patches Woodwinds: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5, Halion Symphonic Orchestra, Miroslav 2 CE Percussions: Kontakt Action Strikes, Hollywood Percussion, NI Symphonic Essentials Percussion, Halion Symphonic Orchestra, Albion ONE Darwin Percussion (Easter Island strikes) Other bits and pieces: Epic Worlds, Era II, Ethera 2.0, Sampletank 3 Alan Parsons Grand Piano, Albion ONE Stephensons Steam Band Plugins Used: not too many -- Nimbus reverb by Exponential Audio over entire mix, a couple instances of TRacks5 Opto Compressor & one instances of Master EQ 432 Midi work done entirely in Cubase Pro 9.5, then mix was exported to wav file, edited in Sonar Platinum, and exported as an MP3 file for upload to Soundcloud. As mentioned, this is a work in progress and there is more to be done -- I am not finished adding percussion highlights and accents, and I have some more woodwind parts that needed to be added in. But this is the overall shape of things right now, and I think it gives a decent snapshot of what I have in mind. I'd be grateful for any comments. Thanks, Rob
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/01 11:37:52
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You are certainly off to a good start with this one and it certainly has that epic feel, but I guess that's what horns are there for :) Looking forward to hearing the finished product.
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/01 16:40:05
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Lovely ethereal intro, good tension and release into the percussion/rhythmic section. Suitably epic horns and strings, beautiful transition to the uplifting themes. Excellent.
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Amicus717
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/01 17:46:05
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Thanks for the kind words, folks. Much appreciated.
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/09 20:57:52
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Sounds pretty good from here! All of the libraries seem to blend well together to form a nice, cohesive piece. About the only negative I would have is that you used Cubase.
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/10 16:03:47
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Good job. I liked the melody lines and orchestration. Well done dynamic arrangement and mix. Sounds good.
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Amicus717
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 02:17:58
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stevec Sounds pretty good from here! All of the libraries seem to blend well together to form a nice, cohesive piece. About the only negative I would have is that you used Cubase.
Thanks, Steve. Appreciate the feedback. In my defense, I did edit the audio in Sonar :)
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 08:06:53
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Good ingredients here and good ideas. The sounds in general work well together but at times I felt the brass was a bit lonely. They might need something to back them up a bit more. Also I'd look into having more dynamics. The beginning sounds great, but when the knight's theme comes in everything felt quite flat dynamics wise. Let orchestra breath more and use quieter moments there as well. :)
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 13:20:26
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What a really great start! Feels like something that would fit well in a top end game, like Witcher 3 or Dragon Age. Beautifully done, though I would listen to Kuusiemi as well, he knows his s**t. If the opening vocal from Era II or Ethera? Regards, Dan
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Amicus717
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 13:55:54
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Kuusniemi Good ingredients here and good ideas. The sounds in general work well together but at times I felt the brass was a bit lonely. They might need something to back them up a bit more. Also I'd look into having more dynamics. The beginning sounds great, but when the knight's theme comes in everything felt quite flat dynamics wise. Let orchestra breath more and use quieter moments there as well. :)
Greatly appreciate the feedback, Kuusniemi, thanks very much! Rob
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Amicus717
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 13:56:30
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Makke Good job. I liked the melody lines and orchestration. Well done dynamic arrangement and mix. Sounds good.
Thanks, Makke. Appreciate the comments.
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Amicus717
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 14:05:56
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dcumpian What a really great start! Feels like something that would fit well in a top end game, like Witcher 3 or Dragon Age. Beautifully done, though I would listen to Kuusiemi as well, he knows his s**t. If the opening vocal from Era II or Ethera? Regards, Dan
Thanks a lot, Dan. That is Ethera at the beginning, one of the phrase patches. I tried the Vocal Codex from Era II in a few versions of this music, too, and it worked pretty well. However, I tend to prefer the more natural and cohesive sound of a recorded phrase, if one is available. The various legato vocal libraries (I also have Realivox Blue and a few others) are great to have and you can do cool stuff with them, but I find they have to be carefully used. Depending on the notes or intervals you are using, they don't always sound entirely natural - at least, to my ears anyway. And yeah, I like Kuusniemi's stuff a lot and musically that is sort of the direction I want to go in. :) Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 14:26:36
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Amicus717 That is Ethera at the beginning, one of the phrase patches. I tried the Vocal Codex from Era II in a few versions of this music, too, and it worked pretty well. However, I tend to prefer the more natural and cohesive sound of a recorded phrase, if one is available. The various legato vocal libraries (I also have Realivox Blue and a few others) are great to have and you can do cool stuff with them, but I find they have to be carefully used. Depending on the notes or intervals you are using, they don't always sound entirely natural - at least, to my ears anyway.
Thanks! Very true about Blue and others. I have many of them as well, and now it looks like Ethera is on my radar, lol... Regards, Dan
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/12 14:37:51
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Inspiring! Can't wait to hear the development. Michael
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/13 18:04:40
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Really liked this. Absolutely a great start. Was I hearing a Basil Poledouris influence here and there?
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/13 18:22:25
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pentimentosound Inspiring! Can't wait to hear the development. Michael
Thanks, Michael!
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Amicus717
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/13 18:25:54
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FreeEarCandy Really liked this. Absolutely a great start. Was I hearing a Basil Poledouris influence here and there?
You are indeed! The opening theme (after the ethereal intro) was influenced by his Conan score, to some extent. Thanks for the comments :)
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/13 20:19:12
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Amicus717
FreeEarCandy Really liked this. Absolutely a great start. Was I hearing a Basil Poledouris influence here and there?
You are indeed! The opening theme (after the ethereal intro) was influenced by his Conan score, to some extent. Thanks for the comments :)
I get chills listening to his "Lonesome Dove" work. Powerful stuff!
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/15 19:20:53
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I enjoyed that, sounds well done with a lot of thought and effort.
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Re: AElfwyn's Saga - Orchestral work in progress
2018/01/16 03:57:29
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Thanks, Wookiee. Yeah, I've been working on it, off and on, for over a year. I've been trying to learn about orchestration on my own (using books and online tools, in particular Rimsky-Korsakov's book and related materials) and I've been trying to apply what I've learned to this project. It's evolved a lot, in that time.
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