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AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3171161/components-processors/amds-ryzen-launches-march-2-outperforming-intels-core-i7-at-a-fraction-of-the-price.html
 
Ryzen is here. AMD said Wednesday that it plans a “hard launch” of its first three Ryzen processors on March 2, outperforming Intel’s high-end chips while undercutting its prices by as much as 54 percent. 
 
AMD executives confidently unveiled the first three desktop chips to attack Intel’s Core i7, supported by several top-tier motherboard vendors and boutique system builders. In many cases, executives said, AMD will offer more for less. The top-tier Ryzen 7 1800X will cost less than half of what Intel’s thousand-dollar Core i7-6900K chip does—and outperform it, too. You can preorder Ryzen chips and systems from 180 retailers and system integrators today.

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/22 17:54:01 (permalink)
Here's hoping real progress has just been revitalized!  Excited about this one.  
 
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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/22 18:41:17 (permalink)
I was about to pull the trigger on a new DAW build using the i7-7700k. Now I wonder if I should consider Ryzen. Any thoughts on how Ryzen might perform in a DAW environment?

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/22 22:39:27 (permalink)
I do hope it lives up to the hype and works on the DAW side of things.  Competition is what the CPU space needs.  
 
 
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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/22 22:47:30 (permalink)
All I'm hoping is that I can get a used i7 cheap now! 

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/23 04:27:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/02/23 09:29:48
I've pre-ordered an 1800X and motherboard (and all the other components I need) for a new DAW build.  I'll be reporting on it's suitability as a Sonar-based DAW as soon as I get it built.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/23 06:31:10 (permalink)
I hate to be doubter but AMD has touted "better than Intel" before and never delivered.

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/23 12:44:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/02/23 12:45:25
We'll have some information/figures soon.   

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/23 16:44:57 (permalink)
The reviews of this are definitely something to keep an eye on. The high-end ASUS MB for the 1800X is $250, so some real world builds will be interesting to see results from.

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/24 22:23:45 (permalink)
can't recall the source,  but when i was reading about the comparison stats, intel had better hyperthreading and other features. i switched to amd a long time ago for a few years, then came back to intel.  even tho some speeds and benchmarks may be close to each other, imo the intel has the edge on amd, but I can't say exactly why.  it just seems to run smoother. 

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/24 22:28:46 (permalink)
I have always built with Intel, but I think in this case we'll just have to wait and see

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/02/28 22:19:54 (permalink)

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/01 14:59:27 (permalink)
This one is rather interesting with the Ryzen breaking the Cinebench record. Not a whole lot of meat to that article though (so not sure if it is verified). It is even more interesting since Cinebench came under fire years ago for being biased towards Intel.*
 
*No need whatsoever to read this, but if anyone is interested here is the link to the FTC complaint citing Cinebench (among other issues).

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/01 21:54:42 (permalink)
 While a partial AMD fanboy, the thing about slapping an Intel system together, Intel just works.  Nice that these new AMD processors aren't eating 240watts.

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/02 12:13:11 (permalink)
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FWIW, I've seen some crazy things with coolers designed for Intel CPUs.
  • Same situation as described in that article (cooler mounted with a gap - had to use washers to solve the problem).
  • Screws far too long...
  • Water cooler radiator that was a parallelogram (half inch out of square).  Wasn't damaged during shipping. 
  • Four screws needed (three of the appropriate type included, a fourth completely wrong/unusable)
QC can be pretty bad.
At times, you almost feel like a fabricator.
 
 
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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/02 16:30:11 (permalink)
So far the reviews seem to confirm that 1800x lives up to the hype for content creation, not so much for gaming. Wouldn't that predict good DAW results?

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/02 18:03:22 (permalink)
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So far the reviews seem to confirm that 1800x lives up to the hype for content creation, not so much for gaming. Wouldn't that predict good DAW results?



The 7700k is going to win gaming benchmarks... because the higher clock-speed.
The 1800x (based on the benchmarks I've seen) *should* test out well for multi-threaded applications.
I want to see how the release CPU/Motherboard respond in low-latency audio stress-test scenarios... compared to the Intel 6850k/6900k.

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/02 18:26:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2017/03/02 19:47:54
Found this in-depth test review today at PCWorld ...
 
Ryzen review: AMD is back
AMD's vaunted Ryzen CPU is a multithreaded monster with one glaring weakness.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176191/computers/ryzen-review-amd-is-back.html
 

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/03 05:04:00 (permalink)
OK, so I got through building my shiny new Ryzen 1800X PC last night.  The bad news is that Sonar won't work on it.  Instant crash before the GUI even comes up.  So at this point, I believe you should hold off until Cakewalk confirms compatibility.
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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/03 06:08:49 (permalink)
I'd find it odd that it would be CPU related.  Has to be something else.

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/03 21:32:34 (permalink)
If you search for "dawbench ryzen" you'll find some results from scanproaudio, but the forum won't let me post the link.

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/04 13:43:43 (permalink)
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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/04 15:11:06 (permalink)
From Scan Pro Audio:
 
"So the big problem here appears to be inefficiency at lower buffer rates. The ASIO buffer is throwing data at the CPU in quicker bursts the lower you go with the setting, so with the audio crackling and breaking up it seems that the CPU just isn’t clearing the buffer quickly enough once it gets to around 70% CPU load at those lower 64 & 128 buffer settings
 
Intel at this buffer setting looks to be hitting 85% or higher, so whilst the AMD chip may have more RAW performance to hand, the responsiveness of the rest of the architecture appears to be letting it down. It’s no big secret looking over the early reviews that whilst AMD has made some amazing gains with the IPC rates this generation they still appear to be lagging slightly behind Intel in this performance metric.
 
So the results start to outline this as one of the key weaknesses in the Ryzen configuration, with it becoming quite apparent that the are bottle necks elsewhere in the architecture that are coming into play beyond the new CPU’s. At the lower buffer settings the test tends to benefit single core performance, with the Intel chips taking a solid lead. As you slacken off the buffer itself, more cores become the better option as the system is able to spread the load but even then it isn’t until we hit a 192 buffer setting on the ASIO drivers that the performance catches up to the intel 4 Core CPU."

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/04 18:21:25 (permalink)
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From Scan Pro Audio:
 
"So the big problem here appears to be inefficiency at lower buffer rates.


It's interesting that the same behavior was seen when comparing Intel chips last year.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1089305-latest-i7-benchmarks-including-6950x-10-core.html
 

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/04 18:48:21 (permalink)
Also interesting ...
 
"it seems that the CPU just isn’t clearing the buffer quickly enough once it gets to around 70% CPU load at those lower 64 & 128 buffer settings
 
Intel at this buffer setting looks to be hitting 85% or higher"

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/05 17:43:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/03/05 19:09:20
Spent some quality time with the Ryzen 1800x this weekend.
 
The 1800x is particularly good at heavy multi-threaded applications (video rendering).
The 1800x is not particularly good at heavy multi-threaded applications at ultra low audio latency settings.
 
Loaded a dense audio stress-test (RME Fireface UFX at a 48-sample ASIO buffer size) and started the transport.  
The 1800x initially seemed to be doing well.  
Upon solo'ing the kick drum, there was subtly garbled audio.
This stress-test was intentionally loaded with heavy processing/effects, so I removed a bunch of plugins (thinking the load was simply too much).
Restarted the transport... and the garbled audio was still present.
Closed and reopened Sonar.  The garbled audio was still preset.
When running an Intel 6850k (same exact stress-test and conditions), the audio was completely glitch-free.
 
Another thing to consider, the 1800x is "bleeding edge".
Motherboard choice is limited... and they're first generation with few BIOS revisions.
CPU cooler choice (currently) is limited.
Applications haven't been compiled/optimized with Ryzen architecture in mind.
 
While testing, I changed some settings in the X370 motherboard's BIOS
Go back into Windows and SMT (Hyper-threading in AMD speak) was gone.
Check in the BIOS... and SMT is specifically enabled.
Chalk that up to running the latest beta BIOS version.
Had to flash to the latest release version to resolve that issue.
 
While running Sonar Platinum:
Using Ctrl+ drag/drop PhoenixVerb caused Sonar to crash.
This is not the case when running the 6850k.
Basic use of Sonar often resulted in "General Error" messages popping up.
Again, this is not the case when running the 6850k.
 
While these types of issues aren't AMD's fault (and can be worked around), it makes hour-to-hour use of Sonar a pain.  Ultimately, these types of "early release" issues will be resolved.
What won't change is the underlying architecture of Ryzen.
 
Our findings would be in complete agreement with Scan in the UK.
If you're rendering video, the 1800x smokes the 6850k.
If working at ultra low latency (audio) settings, stick with Intel.
 
Aside from performance, yet another consideration is advanced features.
X99 motherboards offer advanced options that just aren't available on X370 boards.
  • Quad-channel RAM
  • Thunderbolt-3
  • U.2
  • Etc

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/05 22:50:56 (permalink)
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If working at ultra low latency (audio) settings, stick with Intel.
 



Thanks for the informative post, Jim. Assuming I wanted to stick with the 1800x, would running with with a more reasonable buffer size avoid some of the issues you discussed? For example, on my current system I generally can't go below a 512k buffer anyway. So running at 256K would actually be an improvement and the UK article seemed to indicate performance was improved at higher buffers.
 

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/05 23:29:40 (permalink)
Thanks for the feedback Jim. I think the bleeding edge comments have a lot of merit, since MB and BIOS take several months to align. ASUS has a habit of releasing MBs early, which can be both good and bad (I have "USB 3.0" ports that are truly not because of this).

Have you tried buffers of 128? Ultra low latency after initial tracking is not "necessary," but 128 tends to be the "hard stop" before disabling/freezing things becomes necessary. It would be interesting to get your perspective on 128 if you have a chance (since that also removes some strain on the choice of audio interface).

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/06 00:00:00 (permalink)
Yes, at higher ASIO buffer sizes, the 1800x makes up ground.
The other issues are due to the 1800x being such a recent release.
Those types of things will ultimately be resolved...
 
FWIW, The 6850k (also $500) is a very good performer with 12 processing threads (6 cores) running at 4GHz.
No problems working at small ASIO buffer sizes.
 
 
 

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Re: AMD's Ryzen launches March 2, outperforming Intel's Core i7 at a fraction of the price 2017/03/06 00:14:32 (permalink)
My other interest is how well Ryzen will handle synths, like a couple of granular Omnisphere patches or u-he Diva. Anyone seen or experienced anything in this area?

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