ANOTHER SMALL GUITAR SAMPLE & QUESTION?

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2013/04/29 11:39:18 (permalink)

ANOTHER SMALL GUITAR SAMPLE & QUESTION?

 
Its been a month and a half learning to play my new electric guitar , I spent over a month trying to hearden up my finger tips so I can play chords while working mostly with simple basic chords .
Also worked on the fret board doing finger movement excerises , during that time I had some issues with this guitar staying in tune so last wek I went out and bought a new set of guitar strings and replace the strings that was on it when I bought this guitar from SweetWater .
Now it sounds in tune when I play it and stays in tune so the new set of strings did fix that issue I was having .
 
I started working on a new electronic song two weeks ago , I haven't been rushing this song at all because while I'm working on it I'm also trying to work on a guitar track that will work with this music I created.
By the way the drum track I played & recorded using my electronic drums .
 
Today I recorded this very simple guitar scale and was hoping to get some feedback on what I started playing and recorded in my second section of this new song I started working on .
The MIX isn't good at all so this is my warning , I need to figure out how to work with that GuitarRig LE so it is setup correctly . 
  
LINK WILL BE POSTED AGAIN SOON , TUNE IN A WEEK THANKS !
 
This recording was recorded using the Presonus Studio One DAW software , it was included with my last AUDIOBOX USB purchased and included Guitar Rig 4 .
This DAW sucks for recording I don't like it at all , I need to setup my Sonar Home Studio 7 XL software and Guitar Rig 4 sometime this week .
 
Anyway I know it sounds very basic , this is my very first recorded guitar scale .
I'm sure by the end of this year I will be able to play some scales that sound better then what I recorded in this small sample I'm posting .
 
Cheers -James
 
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    evadianepug
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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 11:46:06 (permalink)
    Well, it is very basic.  It's a pretty good sound though with something that simple I'd probably use a bit of echo (delay, whatever) to sustain.  Just my thought.

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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 12:17:42 (permalink)
    It sounds more like a mixing problem than anything else. You need to bring up the guitar into the mix and maybe some panning, but hard to tell until you get the mix better. Make sure each track doesn't share the same space in the song and correct each tracks volume level so you can hear each part clearly in the mix. Then when you get that hit each track with compression and then a limiter. Keep tweaking till it all blends together properly. Final master on wav. file may need to be tweaked with final compression and limiter as well. Good Luck.

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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 14:48:06 (permalink)
    Hey, it's a start and you're actually playing the guitar.  I'm not sure what you are doing with the guitar rig 4?  It should sound fuller than that just DI.  Thicken up the tone a bit.  GR4 should be able to help.

    Keep in mind there is nothing wrong with simple.  I find very simple passages and 1 note chords work very well as accompaniment lead.  It's all about playing the right notes, not how many or how fast.

    Playing guitar is more of journey than a destination.  After 50 years, I'm still on the journey!!

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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 16:12:13 (permalink)
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    Hey, it's a start and you're actually playing the guitar.  I'm not sure what you are doing with the guitar rig 4?  It should sound fuller than that just DI.  Thicken up the tone a bit.  GR4 should be able to help.

    Keep in mind there is nothing wrong with simple.  I find very simple passages and 1 note chords work very well as accompaniment lead.  It's all about playing the right notes, not how many or how fast.

    Playing guitar is more of journey than a destination.  After 50 years, I'm still on the journey!!

    Daryl
     
    Hi Daryl , thanks ! I still haven't figured out everything when setting up the AMP and Effects in Guitar Rig 4 . I have the FREE version and its very limited with all the cool stuff Guitar Rig 4 has in it just basic stuff to start with , you have to buy the good stuff ! LOL
     
    I try to practice two hours a day if possible or atlease an hour each day , its not as easy as I thought but hey atlease I'm making some progress learning on my own with a few guitar books and whatever I can learn from youtube .
     
    Thanks for the comments, cheers !
    James


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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 16:22:05 (permalink)
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    Well, it is very basic.  It's a pretty good sound though with something that simple I'd probably use a bit of echo (delay, whatever) to sustain.  Just my thought.

            Thanks Warren , I created this music with high hopes I would be able
            to add some type of guitar to it .
            I went back in and swamp out a PAD synth sound and remixed that sound .
            Here is the music without the guitar , sounds pretty good in my monitor
            speakers .
            http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12297033&q=hi
            I'll go back and see what I can do with my guitar and Guitar Rigs  , make some
            Amp adjustments .
     
           Thanks - James
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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 16:27:39 (permalink)
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    It sounds more like a mixing problem than anything else. You need to bring up the guitar into the mix and maybe some panning, but hard to tell until you get the mix better. Make sure each track doesn't share the same space in the song and correct each tracks volume level so you can hear each part clearly in the mix. Then when you get that hit each track with compression and then a limiter. Keep tweaking till it all blends together properly. Final master on wav. file may need to be tweaked with final compression and limiter as well. Good Luck.

    Peace and blessings, John
     
    Hi John , I think some of the mix or sound issue had to do with the
    PAD sound I used for my Chord Progression . I just swamped it out
    using a different PAD synth sound , sounds better now in the MIX .
    As for the guitar sound , I haven't figured out everything there is
    to know when mixing an electric guitar .
    Almost all of my tracks I use compression and no reverb unless its a piano track , oh yea I did add some reverb to the guitar in Guitar Rig 4.
     
    Hey I just remix just the music , heres what it sounds like with no guitar .
    http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12297033&q=hi


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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 20:42:48 (permalink)
    We already know Bobby plays guitar and can do so pretty well.

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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 21:53:08 (permalink)
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    We already know Bobby plays guitar and can do so pretty well.
     
    Oh yea Robby my friend Bobby is a good guitar player , as for me
    I have only been working at it for a month and a half . Who knows
    what I will sound like on the guitar by the end of this year , I love surprises .


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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 23:16:21 (permalink)

    Robby loved my guitar sample so much I decided to pull it for now , I'm working on something new that will hopefully sound better the next time when I post another guitar sample .

    Thanks for the comments and input , I'll keep on pickin my strings untill my fingers turn blue ! LOL

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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 23:19:13 (permalink)
    I'm all about "perfection..." listen to my shiz..."

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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/04/29 23:49:29 (permalink)
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    I'm all about "perfection..." listen to my shiz..."
     
    Robby Robby , its all a game of words right !  LOL
     


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    Re:BABY STEPS , MY FIRST GUITAR SCALE 2013/05/04 23:02:24 (permalink)
    Hi back again , I made some changes in my new song by deleting some unwanted muddy sounding track .
    I finally got Guitar Rig 4 LE working in Project 5 and recorded this little sample , problem is I'm hearing this crackle sound in different places in the track .
    Any suggestions on how to get rid of that sound I'm hearing , I don't do alot of recording with Audio tracks except for vocals stuff .

    http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?q=hi&songID=12304707

    By the way I created two guitar audio tracks and pan each one left and right .
    Added some compression , EQ in my Guitar Rig setup for this recording .
    I know its not the best sounding mix but its a start , I can see there more to recording and mixing guitar tracks then I thought so give me some space I'm working on it one step at a time .
     
    Oh yea I forgot to say I'm going to add a chord progression midi track in next to mix in with this guitar track I recorded to see what that sounds like , maybe a voilin track or rock organ sound .

    Thanks for the listen and any postive feedback -James
    post edited by THE NIGHT FOX - 2013/05/04 23:05:55
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    Re:ANOTHER SMALL GUITAR SAMPLE & QUESTION? 2013/05/05 04:51:54 (permalink)
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    ... during that time I had some issues with this guitar staying in tune so last wek I went out and bought a new set of guitar strings and replace the strings that was on it when I bought this guitar from SweetWater .
    Now it sounds in tune when I play it and stays in tune so the new set of strings did fix that issue I was having . 

    Hi James
     
    Whether you're using new or older guitar strings, it's always a good idea to regularly check both the 'action' and the 'intonation' of your guitar.
     
    The action of a guitar refers to the height of each string above the fretboard:
    • If the action of a string is set too high, you will have to press down on it much more to fret the notes
    • If it's set too low, then you will hear a buzzing sound when you play a note, as the vibrating string comes into contact with the frets
    The intonation of a guitar refers to how well it stays in tune as you fret different notes along the length of the fretboard. The intonation of each separate string is governed by its length:
    • If a string is too 'long' for the scale length of your guitar, the notes you fret along it will be slightly 'flat'
    • If a string is too 'short' for the scale length of your guitar, the notes you fret along it will be slightly 'sharp'
    Intonation problems gradually become more noticeable the further up the fretboard you play.
     
    On most guitars, you should have some control over both the action and the intonation of the strings. Ideally (for example: on guitars like a Fender Stratocaster) you can adjust the action and intonation for each string individually. Any guitar that doesn't allow the individual setting of each string's action and intonation will result in a slight compromise, although on a decent quality guitar, a good set-up will ensure this isn't a problem. 
     
    The correct action is slightly different for each string, and will be different for different string gauges. As a general rule, thicker strings will require a slightly higher action than thinner strings.
     
    To set up both the action and intonation of a string:
    • The ACTION:
      1. Tune the open string to the correct pitch
      2. If you start with a high action, gradually lower the string and fret it all over the fretboard until it starts to buzz - now raise it again until the buzzing stops
      3. If you start with too low an action and the string is already buzzing, gradually raise it until the buzzing stops
      4. Remember to retune the string after every adjustment in height - as you raise a string, you will also be tightening it slightly thereby raising the pitch; as you lower a string, you will be slackening it slightly thereby lowering its pitch
      5. Remember also that a guitar's action can also be set for the player's comfort and playability preferences. Again, this can be a compromise - a guitar set up with an overall low action and thinner gauge strings will be easier to play, but a guitar set up with a higher action and thicker strings will sound louder and 'fuller'
      6. If you can only adjust the action of all the strings at once, or for example in pairs, then you will have to set the action so that none of the strings in each group is high enough to prevent buzzing
    • The INTONATION:
      1. With the action set for each string, again retune the open string to the correct pitch
      2. Now fret the string at the 12th fret (or some would argue, ever better, 'sound' the harmonic at the 12th fret) and check its pitch, either by ear or (ideally) using a tuner. At the 12th fret, the string will play an octave higher than the open string.
        • If the note at the 12th fret is flat, this means the string is too long - gradually shorten it until the 12th fret octave is perfectly in tune with the open string
        • If the note at the 12th fret is sharp, this means the string is too short- gradually lengthen it until the 12th fret octave is perfectly in tune with the open string
      3. In all cases of setting the intonation, it is crucial to retune the open string after every adjustment in string length - if you've shortened the string it will become lower in pitch as you've slightly relaxed it, if you've lengthened the string it will become higher in pitch as you've tightened it
      4. If you can only set the intonation for all the strings at once, or in pairs, then this will involve some form of compromise. As a general rule, you should set the intonation of a group of strings somewhere 'in the middle' so to speak, so some strings are slightly flat at the octave, and some strings are slightly sharp. On a good guitar with a decent set-up however, these differences will be unnoticeable to the ear, the slight variations will only be noticeable when using an electronic guitar tuner..
    It's well worth learning how to set both the action and intonation of your guitar, and to check it on a regular basis.
     
    Check out this YouTube video on setting up your guitar.
     
     
     

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    Re:ANOTHER SMALL GUITAR SAMPLE & QUESTION? 2013/05/05 12:26:08 (permalink)
    WOW Steve thats one hairy bit of information on setting up a guitar .
    This guitar is NEW from SweetWater , they did a complete 55 point inspection on my guitar and neck , fretboard and pickups .

    I put a new set of strings on my guitar and it stays in tune like it should , the strings or action as you put it were set to standard height by SweetWater and they checked the playabity to make sure it played correctly before shipping it to me .

    I'm not having problems playing it , it has taken me over a month to get my finger tips hard enough to play chords correctly so they sound like they should sound .
    If you read my question I was asking about the guitar MIX , oh yes believe me I have spent hours checking out hours of guitar videos on just about everything but hey it never hurts to get some advice from ALL my guitar buddies on this forum .

    Thanks Steve for being the first buddy to make the leap of faith with some useful tips and information .
    I'm sure someday down the road I will have to have this guitar service and check all these things you talked about .


    Thanks Steve - James
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    Re:ANOTHER SMALL GUITAR SAMPLE & QUESTION? 2013/05/05 12:46:03 (permalink)

    Hi everyone , I posted this sample not to show off my playing , I was hoping to get some comments on how I mixed what I played when mixing the guitar tracks with the rest of the music .

    What I was playing is nothing really , ONE chord picking and strumming .
    My reason for posting was all about the MIX and nothing more , theres nothing to brag about with my playing but I will say I'm not doing too bad starting out .
    Everyone of you started playing your guitar the same way , everybody starts out playing simple chords and I'm no different . I'm starting out at ground level just like everyone of you did , if you want to help thats great but please don't make fun of me .

    I know many of you have been playing your guitar for twenty plus years and thats great , I thought maybe one of you would be glad  to share with me how you record and mix your guitar tracks .
    Sometime next year I plan on taking some guitar lessons after we move to Tennessee hopefully in Nov of this year , I'm sure in Nashville I'll be able to find a great guitar teacher .
    As for this area its not like Nashville , TN , Nashville is a music city . If I plan on taking some good guitar lessons thats the place to go and take lessons .

    Anyway thanks - James
    post edited by THE NIGHT FOX - 2013/05/05 12:47:37
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