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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/16 16:30:32
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not sure what your question is...
did you bounce the original soft synth output and then run it through melodyne to get a midi file and run that back into halion to get a comparison?
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/16 17:25:57
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Yeah, audio-to-MIDI conversion is rough.
But, in this particular case, major improvements can be made with a few clicks:
- Select all notes, and change duration to 240.
- Fix the 4-5 misdetected pitches.
- Lengthen the couple of longer notes back to their original duration, and fix the late start times of the ones they bend into.
- Add the one missing note.
- And with a little more time and effort, convert the arpeggiated bends to single notes with pitch bends.
Child's play for an experienced PRV composer, which I'm not, and I got the first four fixes done in a few minutes.
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jb101
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/16 17:54:45
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☼ Best Answerby JM 2013/10/17 11:41:41
Perhaps this should be titled "What happens when you don't know how to use a program".
I've had some pretty good results just dragging an audio clip onto a MIDI track, with just a couple of changes in the PRV.
I find it works better (particularly with polyphonic material) to check the detected notes in Melodyne before converting to MIDI.
There seems to be a lot of slagging of Melodyne on here at the moment, mostly by peole who haven't read the manual. It is an astounding piece of kit.
@ OP - Do you actually know what ARA is?
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/16 21:57:34
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/10/17 14:15:59
I think some people are treating Melodyne like its a "create a hit button" with no user inpit required
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/16 23:55:21
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jb101
Perhaps this should be titled "What happens when you don't know how to use a program".
I've had some pretty good results just dragging an audio clip onto a MIDI track, with just a couple of changes in the PRV.
I find it works better (particularly with polyphonic material) to check the detected notes in Melodyne before converting to MIDI.
There seems to be a lot of slagging of Melodyne on here at the moment, mostly by peole who haven't read the manual. It is an astounding piece of kit.
@ OP - Do you actually know what ARA is?
Agree totally, excellent piece of software if you learn how to use it ... which means some effort on your part. It's not like magic, but that seems to be what people want or expect. The big magic button you just push. I find Melodyne totally awesome, but only after putting in a little effort. Cheers - Cliff
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 02:57:22
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jb101
Perhaps this should be titled "What happens when you don't know how to use a program".
I've had some pretty good results just dragging an audio clip onto a MIDI track, with just a couple of changes in the PRV.
I find it works better (particularly with polyphonic material) to check the detected notes in Melodyne before converting to MIDI.
There seems to be a lot of slagging of Melodyne on here at the moment, mostly by peole who haven't read the manual. It is an astounding piece of kit.
@ OP - Do you actually know what ARA is?
Agree totally, excellent piece of software if you learn how to use it ... which means some effort on your part. It's not like magic, but that seems to be what people want or expect.
The big magic button you just push.
I find Melodyne totally awesome, but only after putting in a little effort.
Cheers - Cliff
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JM
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 11:44:43
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mudgel
I think some people are treating Melodyne like its a "create a hit button" with no user inpit required
You are wrong. I showed that ARA is a mess.
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 12:34:12
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What you actually showed was three things.
1 - you do not take the time to fully express your concerns in a concise yet thorough manner.
2 - you do not have an understanding of the software you are attempting to use.
3 - you apparently dont make the effort to troubleshoot your issues before you judge.
Try melodyne and ara with a non-complex baseline tone such as a simple sine wave from z3ta or dimension pro.
Drag the results to midi. Disable all random or lfo generated voicing in halion on the sax patch and compare the result. Add gating to the audio output so you have clean notes to deal with. Then, set a goal that isn't about complaining about something.
Take into account ypu didn't state which version of melodyne you are using or which version of halion or which sax patch you had loaded. You just did a forum drive-by.
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jb101
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 13:11:09
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JM
mudgel
I think some people are treating Melodyne like its a "create a hit button" with no user inpit required
You are wrong. I showed that ARA is a mess.
No, you just showed us that you don't know how to use the software. Well done, point duly noted.
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 13:50:45
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Just to be technically accurate, ARA is simply a mechanism to integrate Melodyne into SONAR. So what the OP is really saying is that Melodyne is a mess. 
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 14:28:34
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 14:32:03
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stevec
Just to be technically accurate, ARA is simply a mechanism to integrate Melodyne into SONAR. So what the OP is really saying is that Melodyne is a mess.
Hence my comment earlier - "@ OP - Do you actually know what ARA is?" Not only does he not know how to use the software, he doesn't even know what it is, but that doesn't stop him trying to trash it. I just don't understand some people's motives..
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 14:54:25
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jb101
stevec
Just to be technically accurate, ARA is simply a mechanism to integrate Melodyne into SONAR. So what the OP is really saying is that Melodyne is a mess.
Hence my comment earlier - "@ OP - Do you actually know what ARA is?"
Not only does he not know how to use the software, he doesn't even know what it is, but that doesn't stop him trying to trash it.
I just don't understand some people's motives..
True dat... Most of the time I don't really try to understand 'cause chances are I probably won't anyway. If the OP had included something resembling a question or even a description I suppose the thread may have taken a different turn. But as it stands, it's now just a hot mess. 
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 17:17:14
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it was a hot mess off the bat. at least it's not as bad as studio one where i've taken a clip to midi and had it show up as a whole octave higher.
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stevec
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/17 18:20:30
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But an octave higher is more better, right?
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/18 00:28:41
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and that's how you become a castrato...
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/18 01:09:27
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Melodyne has become a victim of it's own brilliance. It has a great reputation, which creates hype, and leads many
to assume Melodyne "promises" to do things that no software can do. We've seen similar behaviour with some, say, software that promise to remove vocals from a commercial release. They may work quite well with some particular songs, depending on the arrangement, and be a complete failure with another, because impossible is impossible.
When you combine that with unwillingness to spend hours on seriouysly studying the software, you get a disappointed user
who blames the product.
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/18 07:26:56
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There really wasn't that much wrong with the clip either. I would consider it quite accurate and very usable. There were a couple of wrong note detections, but those were mostly octaves or within the falls/bends. I would be quite happy with that result and it would save me time.
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Re: ARA? Please look...
2013/10/18 08:10:15
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For it's purpose I think Melodyne is an incredible piece of software. I've had it for a couple years and still don't feel as if I can exploit it to it's full potential. ARA promises to be a technology that could benefit all plugins...I've been wondering if it will ever make into the VST spec. Maybe VST4?
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