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2014/01/14 18:24:21 (permalink)

ASIO 4 ALL

When using Sonar X3 Studio is anyone having dropout and noise issues using ASIO 4 All. I need to use that driver to enable
the use of my Fender SuperChamp x2 and Fuse to get signal into Sonar via USB. I'm on a Vista computer right now and everything works fine until I change the ASIO drivers to accomodate the Amp and I would get a Windows 8 computer if I knew the ASIO 4 All
would work effectively
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2014/01/14 20:13:47 (permalink)
ASIO4All may or may not work. I just spent the afternoon trying to use Fuse and took it off. Not only would it not start but a couple of times and then it just hang there saying it is loading up. I have a Mustang III V.2 amp and will use the headphone out to record which disconnects the speaker and simulates the amp cabinet and speaker, but the line out of the amp ( low impedence) for hooking up to a mixer board or other input to amplify the amp I guess does not disconnect the speaker on that amp. I tried the USB connection and my RME Babyface is a USB connection for my sound card, and I tried all I could and when I looked at the Fender folder in Windows, the only thing it had *.inf files on was Mustang I and II amps and the GEC-Dec whatever it is amp I guess is what it is.
Fuse does not work on my computer and I could not really decide if I needed a firmware update or not since I have V.2 of the amp and the download was 2.1 version. It really did not look as if I needed it, and besides the software would not start up. I un-installed it, un-installed IE again which I do not want on my computer since I use Firefox, and microsoft Silverlight is already on my computer, so I fail to see why I need those to use that program in the first place.
Simply put, it was a pain and I wasted enough time on it.
I have ASIO drivers on my RME Babyface, and will use if necessary the headphone output to record which is what that is also made for - on both amps and the other amp is not a Fender.
Fuse just sucks as far as I am concerned.
 
Anyway what I read is that you can only record you can not listen to it back through the USB connection anyway, as it is not really a sound interface so you would have to use a soundcard or audio/interface and the Mustang Amp was listed in Device Manager as a Sound, Video, Game Controller Device and like I said I even disconnected my RME Babyface from USB just to try and use that Fuse software which never did work at all.
I took it all back out again and never will try it, unless they actually get that software to work, and my computer is not the problem.
 
 
Well, that's about it.

Oh, and my RME Babyface my regular audio/interface has its own ASIO drivers and usually any manufacturer of an audio/device with its own ASIO drivers are way better to use then ASIO4ALL and I am not sure but I do not think you can have two devices using ASIO at the same time running on the computer. Not sure about that, but that whole episode wrecked my afternoon on my computer, looking at the instructions which do not tell you that you need ASIO drivers for the USB connection anyway with Fender at all. The only thing it put in on that Mustang was USB  composite device and a couple of other drivers - no ASIO drivers did I see or did Fuse put on the computer that I know of. Maybe I should check that and I will.
 
 
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2014/01/14 22:42:30 (permalink)
Found this.  I don't know what kind of ASIO driver this Fender driver is.
http://www.fender.com/support/articles/fender-universal-asio-driver/
 
but it is there on their website.
 
I see some other stuff there on the Fuse Forum to look at also, but some of the instructions if Fuse does not work, I do not even have to try like the last ones on that trouble shooting page of theirs for Fuse.
??
I guess I really do not need it though (fuse that is).
 
 
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/23 12:55:39 (permalink)
This is probably a dumb question, but is there a way to get a better ASIO on my laptop than ASIO 4ALL?
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/23 13:44:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/09/24 15:44:05
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This is probably a dumb question, but is there a way to get a better ASIO on my laptop than ASIO 4ALL?



Not that I've seen. ASIO4ALL is iffy at best. I've even seen situations where merely having it installed interferes with the operation of a dedicated driver for an external audio interface.
 
ASIO4ALL is basically an "if all else fails, maybe this will work" option. It's commonly recommended by manufacturers who don't have the capability or desire to create custom drivers. This isn't a diss on the people who created ASIO4ALL; it's a pretty clever kludge, but it's trying to convince Windows to do something it was never meant to do.

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/23 13:45:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/09/23 22:37:21
First thing to realise is the Asio 4 all is NOT an ASIO driver it is a wrapper that looks like ASIO to stuff that requires an ASIO driver, it is WDM in truth.
 
What soundcard are you using?
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/23 22:42:06 (permalink)
+1 to the above. On the assumption that you have a Realtek chip in your laptop, you will probably get best performance in WDM mode (playback only). ASIO4ALL is invasive, so if you have a piece of hardware with ASIO drivers (made for the device specifically) it is often best to uninstall ASIO4ALL completely.
 
Realtek will function for playback, but is not great at recording. This post has links to others I made for setting this up. I apologize that I have not consolidated these yet, but I should as this topic comes up fairly frequently.

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/23 23:24:52 (permalink)
Good thing I bought the Blackstar amp instead of the Fender!! 
But I still like to mike the speaker. 
The Blackstar's line out is set at  pre amp level and you can turn the Master volume right off and it does not change the line out level. This feature is common on lots of Modeling and Solid state or Hybrid Amps. Read the manual before you buy something and you'll aviod these issues. 
 
I have no desire to use ASIO or any other drivers for an amp because that would mean swapping out with my interfaces "good" drivers. Terrible things would probably happen so this guy aviods these things. And if you think of it, what is there to gain if you already own a good audio interface. The convertors and drivers for the amp will probably suck compaired to your interface ( unless your interface sucks) 
 
I'm afraid my friend you really need to buy a ASIO audio interface to do any proper recording with a PC. Any attempt at using sub standard drivers will result in all sorts of frustration and timing issues. Been there, done that. 
 
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 03:39:37 (permalink)
As noted, ASIO4ALL isn't an ASIO driver, it is an ASIO to WDM/KS bridge. It presents a virtual ASIO interface to software, and takes the data sent to that and pipes it to the specified WDM interface. Fair enough, and can be useful if you have a card that has no ASIO driver, and you are running some software that only does ASIO, or only does ASIO and Directsound.
 
However, you are using Sonar, so there's no reason. Sonar talks WDM/KS itself, same interface ASIO4ALL uses. With Sonar though it has direct control and no additional translation. So basically it will almost certainly work no worse than ASIO4ALL, and usually better.
 
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 05:58:47 (permalink)
here we go again, asio4all destroys the world...

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 06:01:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2015/09/24 06:48:08
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here we go again, asio4all destroys the world...




IMX, ASIO4ALL doesn't always destroy the world, but it doesn't always save it either

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 06:04:54 (permalink)
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ASIO4All may or may not work. I just spent the afternoon trying to use Fuse and took it off. Not only would it not start but a couple of times and then it just hang there saying it is loading up. I have a Mustang III V.2 amp and will use the headphone out to record which disconnects the speaker and simulates the amp cabinet and speaker, but the line out of the amp ( low impedence) for hooking up to a mixer board or other input to amplify the amp I guess does not disconnect the speaker on that amp.



I had an original CyberTwin years ago.  When I recorded via line outs, I plugged headphones in to silence the speakers.  Do the Mustangs silence the line outs when 'phones are plugged in?
 
I'm trying to figure out why you would record the headphone jack with one of these amps.

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 08:26:31 (permalink)
ASIO4ALL does destroy the world. I look forward to seeing the developers on trial at The Hague.

Yup no middle ground me :)

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 09:40:48 (permalink)
This is what happens when someone digs up and hijacks an old thread instead of starting a new one. 
 
The OP was asking about the use of asio for his Mustang amp, the hijack is now opened the asio4all can of worms. 
There's only one answer to that, buy a proper audio interface with good ASIO drivers, end of thread...

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 12:16:40 (permalink)
yes, and if he doesn't have a dedicated audio device (or budget to buy one) he may well get very good enough results using asio4all, as some of us actually have :-)
i don't know why people are so touchy about this?

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 12:27:36 (permalink)
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i don't know why people are so touchy about this?



I maintain an open mind...
 


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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 12:46:27 (permalink)
lolarama, but it was a genuine question

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 12:59:27 (permalink)
No one said ASIO4ALL is "globally bad" and was pretty specific of the situations where it may become an issue (Dok's humor aside, of course).

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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 14:43:42 (permalink)
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This is probably a dumb question, but is there a way to get a better ASIO on my laptop than ASIO 4ALL?




I haven't bothered reading the zombie thread you revived or the recent posts but it's not a stupid question at all IMO.
 
Best option... use a proper ASIO interface... of course.
 
Now beyond that for ages ASIO4ALL has been the "in a pinch" solution... especially on laptops, for years. It sucks but it sucks less than the alternatives and has made massive improvements for me on my laptop when just screwing around and trying things out many times.
 
NOT a good alternative to a proper ASIO interface though... even though I said that... but it needs to be stressed.
 
HOWEVER we are currently in a new age where Microsoft has supposedly done some serious work on their own internal audio management shiz. I am not on Win10 but apparently Win10 is now able to get some decent results for audio stuff using the WDM driver mode (or whatever).
 
So essentially the stuff that ASIO4ALL was using to make it work better than nothing at all (it would wrap itself around those Windows audio driver and trick the programs into working better) can now, supposedly, work well on their own.
 
I have NOT tested this. I am NOT on Win10. I probably TOTALLY mangled the technical aspect of all that (not a tech and just barely paying attention)... BUT the reports we have gotten from the Bakers based on their tests (it was in one of the eZines a while back) and what the MS people were saying at NAMM this year indicate that maybe... just maybe, the default Windows audio drivers have finally gotten good enough that ASIO4ALL may no longer be necessary.
 
Do your own research on it though because I am not totally boned up on the issue because... well I have a proper ASIO interface and am not on Win10. I only have a passing interest and wanted to maybe point you in the right direction based on my limited understanding of the subject.
 
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Re: ASIO 4 ALL 2015/09/24 15:43:43 (permalink)
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This is what happens when someone digs up and hijacks an old thread instead of starting a new one. 

 
Might be an idea for a forum host to consider splitting the thread, the two "starter" posts are really about two different things and there's an 18 month gap in the middle of it...
 

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