mrculpa
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ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
In SONAR 6, is it POSSIBLE to use more than one audio card simultaneously in ASIO mode? I am working with an RME HDSP9652 and an M-Audio Firewire 410. The problem is, in ASIO mode, if drivers for the Firewire 410 are turned on, the RME drivers are grayed out, and vice versa. I want to use the RME drivers for inputs (importing 24 tracks from Gigastudio on a separate PC) and the Firewire 410 outputs for monitoring. Anyone know if this is possible, and if so, what do I need to do?
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Rev. Jem
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 00:30:55
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Can you switch drivers to WDM/KS ? I'm fairly sure that ASIO doesn't support multiple interfaces.
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 01:45:46
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Old info: I believe a program like ASIO4ALL allows you to use multiple ASIO devices simultaneous. Do a search in this forum.
Opps, I gave ya bad info. Contrary to what I thought, ASIO4ALL is a bridge from WDM drivers to ASIO drivers allowing you to use WDM drivers for devices in ASIO driver mode. What you would need is WDM4ALL, if it exists (ASIO to WDM bridge). The ASIO limit of 1 active device is set by the standard developed by Steinberg and not by the Sonar program.
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gnie
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 01:58:46
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You can only use one asio driver at a time. Asio4all only tricks the computer. You actually end up using wdm drivers with it.
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 02:54:39
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It's possible w/ certain Firewire devices by using CEntrance Universal drivers - http://centrance.com/products/ Hmm... I don't know these audio devices you have there but, maybe connecting these devices using "S/PDIF Out" from HDSP9652 (monitoring routed through S/PDIF) and "S/PDIF In" to Firewire 410 ... but does this allow you to monitor only the input from the other PC ?? You could also send the signal from Sonar master bus into Firewire 410 using a VST plugin like Voxengo Recorder (MME device output). This maybe adds some playback latency ofcource. Junski
post edited by Junski - 2006/11/29 15:46:57
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Beagle
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 08:31:36
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ASIO 2.0 allows sharing of hardware. ASIO 2.0 Shares Hardware with other ASIO 2.0 Applications.
Now it is possible to have multiple ASIO 2.0 applications running on the same machine without the first one to get started grabbing the ASIO hardware for itself. As the applications are switched, the ASIO control is handed over to the next ASIO application. As more and more ASIO applications appear, this feature becomes more important. REF: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Steinberg/ASIO-2.0.html
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ohhey
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 11:09:06
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ORIGINAL: Beagle
ASIO 2.0 allows sharing of hardware.
ASIO 2.0 Shares Hardware with other ASIO 2.0 Applications.
Now it is possible to have multiple ASIO 2.0 applications running on the same machine without the first one to get started grabbing the ASIO hardware for itself. As the applications are switched, the ASIO control is handed over to the next ASIO application. As more and more ASIO applications appear, this feature becomes more important.
REF: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Steinberg/ASIO-2.0.html
This is the opposite of what we are talking about. It is a good thing but still doesn't let you have more then one card (driver), just more then one application using the same driver.
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Jim Roseberry
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 11:29:24
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ASIO currently only supports one single audio interface.
Some drivers get around this limitation by presenting multiple audio interfaces (same model or same family - a la MAudio Delta series or RME Hammerfall series) as simply more I/O.
But the short answer to your situation/question is "no."
The CEntrance driver Junski mentioned above presents multiple FW audio interfaces (under its single driver - your hardware must be supported) as a single interface with more I/O... just like the MAudio/RME units.
Your best bet is to download the new WDM beta drivers for the HDSP9652 and run Sonar using WDM/KS (instead of ASIO).
You'll need to make sure that both interfaces are using a single/common clock. (This can be done via WorkClock or S/PDIF connections)
The MAudio FW series works fine in WDM/KS mode... as should the HDSP with the latest drivers.
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 12:59:07
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Read Jeff Markham's post in This Thread regarding multiple cards under ASIO. -D
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jim y
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 13:33:50
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One card is RME, they don't have proper WDM drivers last time I looked and RME recommend using ASIO or MME in Sonar. If you attempt to use WDM/KS (either with Sonar or ASIO4ALL) it could work, but I don't think you will get low latencies because of the RME driver. It would also be a good idea to sync the 2 cards by s/pdif and have exactly the same DMA buffer size.
As already said, you won't be able to use ASIO with two or more different drivers.
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Jim Roseberry
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 14:18:26
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 14:51:29
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The Beta Drivers are very solid. I've had no major problems. The ony thing that has been giving me trouble is running Gigastudio 3 in rewire mode. I'm getting some BSOD crashes when trying to record audio tracks at the same time Giga is running in rewire mode. I've given up on trying to make it work and I will be building a new system soon for my recording rig and use this old system as my stand alone Gigastudio system. Check out the beta drivers. They are great. You will also need the Beta version of Digicheck as well. http://www.rme-audio.com/download/dc_record.zip Good Luck, Eric
post edited by Hansenhaus - 2006/11/30 00:09:19
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Anubis
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 22:23:08
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I'm beginning to sound like a broken record but you should try Asio4All. First of all it is a wrapper for the WDM/KS drivers- so not bound by Asio limitations. Asio4All is very flexible in that it let's you enable any combination of audio interfaces on your system. You can enable just the inputs on one device while simultaneously enabling only the outputs on another device. Sounds to me like that is what you're trying to do. Now whether that will work with Sonar... that's quite another matter.
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gnie
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/29 23:53:43
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I would love to use Asio4all and access my Novation's card. But the wdm driver comes up as 16 bit. I assume that's just a problem with their driver...?
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Beagle
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/11/30 14:58:44
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ORIGINAL: ohhey
ORIGINAL: Beagle
ASIO 2.0 allows sharing of hardware.
ASIO 2.0 Shares Hardware with other ASIO 2.0 Applications.
Now it is possible to have multiple ASIO 2.0 applications running on the same machine without the first one to get started grabbing the ASIO hardware for itself. As the applications are switched, the ASIO control is handed over to the next ASIO application. As more and more ASIO applications appear, this feature becomes more important.
REF: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Steinberg/ASIO-2.0.html
This is the opposite of what we are talking about. It is a good thing but still doesn't let you have more then one card (driver), just more then one application using the same driver.
Sorry - you are correct! I misread the article.
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jim y
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RE: ASIO drivers for multiple cards?
2006/12/01 07:26:49
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I don't have either of these interfaces, but I have played around with differnt ones in Sonar using WDM/KS mode.
One thing with different interfaces, it can matter very much which one is selected for Sonars master playback and recording timing masters.
I think ideally, the RME would be master because it has a low jitter clock and the M-audio slaved to it by connecting s/pdif from RME out to M-audio in and the latter set to external clock.
However, it could be that that it will only work with the M-audio interface as timing masters - although you could still have it slaving off the RME's better clock.
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