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2014/02/25 19:33:48 (permalink)

ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard

This is strange. Beagle helped me before. Does anyone know how to contact him?
 
I am running HomeStudio 6XL on a Windows 7 machine. Previously I had no soundcard at all, and of course SONAR wouldnt work without one. So Beagle got me install this thing called ASIO4ALL which interacted with the soundchip on my motherboard and the program would play. Unfortunately, it would crash as soon as I tried to play any other kind of sound file, like an mp3, or do anything else that used sound, like access a web page with sound on it, or youtube.
 
So I got a soundcard recently, a SoundBlaster Audigy Fx. I had a local shop install it and it sounds nice. However, in SONAR, I noticed that the ASIO4ALL is still being used. In fact, over the Main output bus, it says, ASIO4All v2 Sound Blaster speakers 3. And the Soundblaster card itself, isnt available or even listed when I go to Audio Options, Drivers... the only thing listed is what I wrote above, the ASIO4ALL somehow attaching itself to the soundblaster speakers.
 
Would anyone know why this is? Is it because the soundblaster card didnt come with proper drivers, or the shop did not install them? Or is it because ASIO4ALL just wont give up being in control now?

Any help would be appreciated. The program does work and I can play and mix, so its not like it doresnt work at all. However if SONAR is open, I cant play anything else thru any other player, like media player or foobar, I get an error. Its like SONAR or ASIO4ALL has hijacked the soundcard and wont let anyone else play anything.
 
thanks for any replies.
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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/25 21:10:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby roddey_phipps 2014/02/26 00:07:10
Hey Roddey,
Uninstall ASIO4All from your computer. It will interfere with native ASIO drivers for your sound card.
If the shop didn't install the proper drivers for your Audigy, you should be able to download them from the Creative support site. It's quite possible the proper drivers are installed, but ASIO4All is overriding them.
It crippled my E-MU0404(which used Creative ASIO drivers), when I installed it to check on a question for another user.
The Creative ASIO drivers are pretty robust, and should be very stable.
Also, you may want to check the share drivers option in SHS6.
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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/26 00:04:12 (permalink)
Thanks for replying! If I uninstall ASIO4ALL, will I then have to "show" SONAR where the Creative drivers are? I'm not sure I know how to do that.... Or will it just find the creative drivers automatically?
 
I'm afraid I'll end up with no driver loaded at all, and then no sound...
 
and can you please tell me where the "share drivers" feature is found?
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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/26 11:41:54 (permalink)
In Sonar you should have a menu item -> Options and submenu item -> Audio.
That is where you have checkboxes on various tabs. It may depend also on which bit rate and bit depth you are using, 44100Hz sample rate usually used in other audio programs, but also instead of the General Tab where you profile your sound card also you have the "Advanced Tab" where you can change what (audio) drivers you are using and whether to "Share drivers with other programs" and all that stuff in checkboxes. The "Drivers" tab is where you checkmark what "Input" and "Output" you are using to run with Sonar.
 
That is if the Audigy has ASIO drivers in the first place. The first sound card I could use for recording that did have Creative Lab Drivers (SoundBlaster) was the Extreme Gamer. (and it is not really much of a audio/interface).
 
At any rate when you find that out, you probably can un-install the ASIO4All drivers perhaps in Control Panel -> Programs and Features like any other program - perhaps. But with your Computer Desktop Icon and right clicking on it, and selecting "Properties" you can get up Device Manager and see what drivers your Audigy is using with that, and if nothing else - Delete it out of the System OS and un-install the drivers by checking the checkbox to un-install the drivers, and then restart the computer and see if Windows installs drivers the next time you startup your computer. You may have to do that until Windows finds - no drivers and restarting the computer to clear out all drivers. Then you install the drivers that came with your sound card and hopefully ASIO4All will not bother you again. Or by unstalling those drivers in "Program and Features" in Control Panel to begin with.
Depends, but Audigy was never a card that could be used to make multi-track recordings in the first place, only the Extreme Gamer was the first in the series of Sound Blaster cards that could be used that way for a cheap sound card.
 
A cheap audio/interface will do much better: (like a FocusRite or Roland type or something along that)
http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/computer-audio/audio_interfaces/
 
Song with The Extreme Gamer soundcard (I really should re-do with my new audio/interface):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELBdIiPmfSk
 
because that is all the better it ever got.
An audio/interface is much better usually and made for it, and get one that has it own drivers. Creative Labs does, but again I don't think the Audigy can be used for multi-track recordings - mine could not be, and I think I still have it sitting around and have to throw it away. Also mine was made for a different OS computer like XP or even Windows 2K a long time ago.
?? Have to look.
 
post edited by spacealf - 2014/02/26 11:45:45

 
 
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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/26 11:46:23 (permalink)
Of all the sound cards on the market I'm sorry to say you have picked the one that is very well documented on this forum as  not usable for DAW Audio.
Those cards are made for Gaming and watching movies. Creatives Audio drivers , which they claim will be ASIO, will not run in ASIO mode with Sonar. I personally have my doubts that they are even "true" ASIO.  So you end up running WDM or MME mode and are your back to square one. Even if you get it working you will have major timing issues. I know this first hand I'm not just repeating what I've read. 
 
Years ago I tried in Vain to make a Sound Blaster Audigy card run with Home Studio. 
That was the year I joined the forum. Back then there was not much information about audio sound cards. 
The forum taught me this Mantra: 
You must have a proper audio interface to work with Sonar or any DAW. 
A proper audio interface not only provides the right connectivity, it comes with stable ASIO drivers. There are very good audio interfaces for $130 ( example Scarlett 2i2) 
Under $100 you will probably be having issues, not with the hardware so much as with the Drivers.
Audio drivers are the heart of a DAW system. 
 
Not only from the past but just a month ago my son gave me one off his computers to replace my P4 Office machine. It's a modern AMD Quad core with way out there specs running Window 7 64 bit Ultimate. 
 
He had been using it for Gaming and watching movies. He had installed a Sound Blaster Audigy I card in it! It had the Creative ASIO driver logo. 
 
I bought a Roland keyboard that came with X1 LE so I thought I'd install it on this computer as I certainly didn't need it on my DAW computer. I know my way around Sonars audio system and set up procedure. Guess what. Only WDM mode would run on Sonar. Trying ASIO mode Sonar told me was not an option with the drivers. 
The software was unusable to me. It was like a flash from the past. I opened the Drum Synth and hit a skin, It took a good full  second to play the sound. If I tried working with that I'd go nuts. All your tracks will also end up out of sync because  the creative drivers are so unstable. 
I bought an new Audio interface for my main DAW so I retired the old Tascam us1641 to this computer. After I removed the SB card ( PCI ) and installed the Tascam ASIO drivers, Sonar X1LE was performing excellently. 
 
 
Buy the way, ASIO4all is not really ASIO, it is a WDM mode in a "wrapper"   look it up. You don't even need it as most sound cards already supply WDM mode in their drivers. It was a "fix" from 10 years ago and is totally outdated and a waist of time. 
 
Beagle can be found in the coffee house, I think he retired from helping people as one can get burnt out repeating the same info :) 
 
post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/02/26 11:52:37

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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/26 11:53:57 (permalink)
There is also other things that may have to be done with the computer also like checking for latency and usually wi-fi will interfere with streaming audio and video. It has to be Disabled and maybe some other things also on the computer.
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
 
You may have to look up and search on the Internet for using your computer for recording audio on it.
 

 
 
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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/26 11:59:00 (permalink)
Ha ha Funny Spacealf was typing same time as me and has almost said the same thing so there you go... 
Start shopping. 

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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/27 10:56:36 (permalink)
ok then.... how do I find a suitable sound card for SONAR Home Studio 6 XL that will operate properly on a Windows 7 machine with sandybridge i7 processor?
 
I mean, which ones will work properly with that? How do I find out?
 
I previously had a Delta 1010LT in it but it popped and crackled so bad it was useless... had to take it out.
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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/27 11:01:35 (permalink)
another thing I need to add.... I'm not recording in this computer. I'm only mixing. Recording is done on another computer, an XP machine, but it has the Delta 1010LT soundcard in it... works fine for recording, even 8 simultaneous live tracks. but it doesnt have the computing power to mix. I record, then transfer the entire work folder to my other machine, the big Windows 7 machine, and I mix on that.

It sounds like a pain but it has worked well for me so far. I just need a soundcard that will run with ASIO drivers for the big windows 7 machine. I dont plan on recording, just mixing.

If I do get one, should I un-install ASIO4ALL before installing the new soundcard?
 
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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/02/27 15:25:43 (permalink)
Go to any on line music store. Audio interface is the correct name.
A Scarlett 2i2 is popular . Yes get asio4all out of there first.

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Re: ASIO4ALL issue w soundcard 2014/03/01 21:27:23 (permalink)
"Share drivers with other programs" - this worked and allows me to not have to close the program to hear my work in any other player, so, that problem is solved, thank you!!!
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