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2018/06/17 19:11:37 (permalink)

ASIO4All issue

I'm on SONAR X3.
 
was using ASIO4All with a crappy soundblaster card.
 
Got a new card, Aureon 7.1 PCIe and its supposed to have ASIO drivers. The control panel for this card does show ASIO and a testing dialog box.
 
However, in SONAR preferences, the Aureon card shows up in the driver list... but its greyed out and the ASIO4all is listed... connected to the Aureon.
 
Is there any way to disable ASIO4All or enable the card drivers themselves? Is there any way to check and make sure the Aureon card does indeed have ASIO drivers installed?
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 19:15:25 (permalink)
The ASIO specification permits the host to use one I/O driver at a time. To change ASIO drivers, deselect all audio driver input and output settings in SONAR preferences, then make the new driver selection.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 21:11:45 (permalink)
thanks
 
I can do that (deselect all the ASIO4All inputs and outputs) and then select the new drivers...
 
but then nothing plays.
 
One thing I've noticed; there are 4 output speakers drivers. On the ASIO4All versions, they're called ASIO4All v2 HD Audio Speaker 1   then the others are identical except named 3, 5 and 7.
 
The new soundcard drivers are named C-Media High Definition Audio Device Speakers - channel 0... then the other three end in 2, 4, 6

I guess this is normal but none of the C-Media drivers will play anything. No output shows up in the master output channel at all.
 
Any ideas?
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 21:30:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/06/18 01:54:30
Yup. 
 
Shut down Sonar.
 
Uninstall ASIO4ALL completely, and just use the ASIO drivers that came with your new card, or download the latest from the manufactuer's site and install them.
 
Then restart Sonar.
 
That's the only way to ensure there is no conflict between them.  I had the same problem after installing a demo that installed some generic ASIO drivers in my system, in addition to the real ones I already had.  Sonar was not happy until I got rid of them.

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 21:46:10 (permalink)
did that
 
now nothing plays, the ASIO4All drivers are gone, however, the new soundcard drivers are still named 0, 2,4,and 6.
 
they wont play a thing. Nothing works at all now.
 
I may have to re-install ASIO4All... at least I got sound.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 21:57:09 (permalink)
Before re-installing ASIO4All, reboot. If ASIO mode does not work try WDM mode. ASIO4All is not a driver, it is a wrapper for the WDM drivers.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 21:59:54 (permalink)
BTW, if the drivers came on disk, check the manufacturer website for newer drivers. Keep in mind this audio card is not designed for DAW use. A better solution would be an interface designed for DAW use.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 22:16:50 (permalink)
Wrongnoterod
 
I may have to re-install ASIO4All... at least I got sound.




That shouldn't be necessary.  ASIO4ALL is not really an ASIO driver.  It's just a wrapper for your Windows sound card drivers.  The new drivers are probably not installed correctly.
 
You did not mention what version of Windows OS you are running, or if the new drivers are compatible with it.  It's always good to verify the compatibility for the version you are running.
 
From the Terratec site:
ASIO driver (AudioSysteminputOutput)
For musicans, we provide an ASIO driver for high quality audio data with low latency. Providing this the AUREON 7.1 PCIe can be used in various software sequencers, such as Steinberg´s Cubase.


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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/17 22:42:27 (permalink)
Yeah, I read http://www.terratec.net/details.php?artnr=12001 before posting. Not the first time a home theater/game card manufacturer has made this claim. I hope this time it proves true and they actually provide a decent driver.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 01:11:40 (permalink)
 nothing works.
 
re-installed from their latest update.
 
I can select WDM but then it changes the driver to "headphone" and while there is action in the master bus, no sound comes out of the speakers.
 
I knew this would happen, you cant buy any kind of a soundcard under 500 bucks that has actual ASIO drivers, can you? This was my last shot
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 01:13:26 (permalink)
I'm on Windows 7 and from what I read, their card was compatible.
 
Windows itself has no problem seeing the card. Plays music all day long. Only SONAR cant find it, the same thing happened when I re-installed, the drivers are named channel 0, 2,4 and 6. That seems weird. 
 
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 01:44:07 (permalink)
Just out of curiosity, have you tried another DAW to see if it works there? You can download a free fully functional non expiring demo of REAPER, which you can select the 'Portable' install option where everything is kept 'self contained' so your system is left as it was when you remove it.

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 01:45:56 (permalink)
There are some inexpensive external USB audio modules with decent ASIO drivers that get good reviews.
 
From the Behringer U-Phoria UM2 on the low end for $29.99, https://www.amazon.com/Be...D=8HDMGGW0GMEY9Q7QDKXE
 
... and the Focusrite Scarlett Solo for $97.84 (high end of the low end, but they have some really decent products with good drivers) https://www.amazon.com/Fo...s=usb+audio+interfaces

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 01:54:31 (permalink)
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Just out of curiosity, have you tried another DAW to see if it works there? You can download a free fully functional non expiring demo of REAPER, which you can select the 'Portable' install option where everything is kept 'self contained' so your system is left as it was when you remove it.




That's a good suggestion!  Also, you can always get Tracktion T6 for free, the full version, unlimited tracks etc.  Not a demo.
 
https://www.tracktion.com/products/t6-daw
 
Good for a comparison test! 

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 02:22:09 (permalink)
i might try the reaper suggestion and then report back here. thats a good idea, thanks... will take a few days.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 02:43:34 (permalink)
I suspect they are passing off asio4all as their "native ASIO" drivers.  I wouldn't write them off just yet - especially since you may not have another ASIO option.
 
You mentioned that the drivers came on a disk.  At the very least, download and try the latest version from the asio4all website. 

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 11:22:33 (permalink)
 
 
they dont actually have "download drivers", only download their software, which is a control panel for the soundcard.
 
In the control panel theres a little ASIO latency changer dialog box, but thats it. This seems to mean the ASIO drivers have been installed, at least as far as they are concerned.
 
I cannot find anywhere to download any drivers.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 12:46:40 (permalink)
if you want to continue using asio4all, be sure to configure it in "öffline mode" before booting sonar... it does seem like the "control panel for the soundcard" included with the software bundle IS the native asio driver, otherwise they're just lying and if clicking the "little ASIO latency changer dialog box"just launched the asio4all cp it would be obvious, but terratec have been around for quite a while so i'd be surprised if that were the case, unless they got bought up by some brand-collecting big-co who only care about sales and not after-sales... 
did you contact terratec support?

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 15:08:44 (permalink)
Remove asio4a and any possible "hidden" audio devices in device manager.
Uninstall the soundcard drivers and reinstall after a reboot.
If you have Windows 10 and get Cakewalk by Bandlad (no need to uninstall X3) you are better of without Asio4all, even when your soundcard doesn't support ASIO, but yours definitely does.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 16:33:00 (permalink)
I see back in December you were shopping for a sound card and said this was for playback only. 
I'm not sure why you bought a 3rd party sound card when all you really need for playback and editing is the on board audio and WASAPI. Asio4all works too, but is no longer really needed now Sonar supports Waspai. 
I use on board on a W7 laptop running WASAPI exclusive day in day out with no real issues. Of couse not all on board cards are created equal but these day's on board video and sound have come a long ways and there's not much need to use 3rd party any more. 

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 16:46:54 (permalink)
From an online review of the card in question:

"This card doesn’t have ASIO drivers so those eight channels can’t be addressed by any music software you may be running."

Read more at http://www.trustedreviews...-2#6u6Hi1uK4RWpIxm3.99

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 17:28:16 (permalink)
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I see back in December you were shopping for a sound card and said this was for playback only. 
I'm not sure why you bought a 3rd party sound card when all you really need for playback and editing is the on board audio and WASAPI. Asio4all works too, but is no longer really needed now Sonar supports Waspai. 
I use on board on a W7 laptop running WASAPI exclusive day in day out with no real issues. Of couse not all on board cards are created equal but these day's on board video and sound have come a long ways and there's not much need to use 3rd party any more. 


He's running X3.  I don't believe it has WASAPI capability.

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 17:36:29 (permalink)
X3 has 4 driver modes, WASAPI, WDM/KS, ASIO or MME but lacks the Win10 WASAPI optimizations added after X3 (see http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=0x22B19 )
 
If it is the case the DAW is for playback only as long as the mode support the desired sample rate and bit depth the choice of driver mode is not critical. The OP may want to try them all.
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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/18 18:35:45 (permalink)
Yes I know he's using X3, And so do I on that Laptop as well as Home Studio. 

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/20 18:13:01 (permalink)
Ah, didn't ever try WASAPI on X3 because it wasn't well executed between Sonar and Windows.

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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/20 23:11:32 (permalink)
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 nothing works.
 
re-installed from their latest update.
 
I can select WDM but then it changes the driver to "headphone" and while there is action in the master bus, no sound comes out of the speakers.
 
I knew this would happen, you cant buy any kind of a soundcard under 500 bucks that has actual ASIO drivers, can you? This was my last shot


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Re: ASIO4All issue 2018/06/20 23:29:14 (permalink)
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Ah, didn't ever try WASAPI on X3 because it wasn't well executed between Sonar and Windows.


I was using WASAPI with a UA-101 interface and (I think) Sonar X1. Certainly pre-Platinum anyway. Wasapi fixed a looping bug that only affected some ASIO drivers where when loop recording each successive loop got shortened by the milliseconds set in the audio buffer. So loop 1 would be fine, second pass would replace the last 10ms of the loop with silence, 3rd pass replace the last 30ms with silence and so on.

The bug got fixed in an update, but as I recall WASAPI was pretty much identical in performance terms to ASIO, at least with that particular interface.

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