AdamGrossmanLG
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ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
Hello Everyone,
Now that we have new low latency WDM and WASAPI drivers for Sonar... is it recommended to use them or is it best to stick with ASIO? I am using a Steinberg UR22 audio interface.
Thank You,
Adam
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 03:31:18
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i'd go with whichever one works/does the job the best, least issues, and does everything you need or want. i suspect most users will stay with asio, perhaps partly because that's where it's been at for ages and it's solid and proven
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 03:32:16
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Unless there is a good reason not to I would stick with ASIO for now. This is a new development and it may take some time for the industry to provide proper drivers to use WASAPI.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 04:01:27
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Stick with ASIO for pro audio devices that have good ASIO drivers. They are the most tested by the manufacturers.
I think pro audio companies do minimal testing with WASAPI mode.
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 10:29:05
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well, what i can say that when i tried WASAPI on my TC Electronic Konnekt 6
Sonar just refused to play (while when applying driver type change it found device compatible).
so i had to return to ASIO (that i have lots of dropouts while having maximum latency set).
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 11:59:05
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I found in X1 that using the Roland WASAPI driver for an Edirol/Roland/Cakewalk UA-101 cured the bug where when using the ASIO driver loop recording resulted in each pass through the loop being shortened by the length of the audio buffer and the gap filled with silence so the first pass ended with e.g. 10ms silence, the second 20ms, the third 30ms and so on.
It also fixed the "zipper noise" bug which happened when changing the eq's frequencies or Q.
Performance was similar to ASIO, maybe a tiny bit worse but not enough that the extra latency was a problem.
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TEZ
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 14:04:38
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Got a realtek onboard with W10 OS, so I'm very happy that the platinum 2016.11 release
has got support for low latency WASAPI Shared mode, yay!
If it's not to stupid to ask since I've never used WASAPI before, and just to be sure,
could someone confirm, that in order for WASAPI in any mode to work, that under
"Audio - Playback and Recording", "Share Drivers With Other Programs" must be unchecked...
Cheers...
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 14:29:04
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☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2016/12/02 13:04:27
Some will run ASIO better than WDM & WASAPI and a small amount will not.
Take all 3 out on a date and see which one you like the most, then stick with it.
CJ
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 15:01:18
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I tried the WASAPI Shared mode and was having audio dropouts. I'll likely tinker more later to see where the issue is and if it can be fixed.
I find it strange that I'm able to play youtube and the keyboard vsti's at the same time using ASIO. I got the impression from the feature description that should not be possible. I guess I misunderstood.
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 15:10:32
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I'm going to play around with it later today on my rig. When I first played around with it, it looked like latency was a good bit less, but it seemed less stable with my interface. I'll definitely report back what I find.
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/01 15:51:31
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Go ahead and try a loop back test before you jump ship on any driver. I put instructions on the thread linked below. Briefly, the top is a frozen audio track, in the middle is various other driver modes at the bottom is ASIO. Only the ASIO was on time.  http://forum.cakewalk.com/Home-Studio-and-WASAPI-m3521297.aspx At this point I'm still skeptical of WASAPI I doubt if it will perform as well as ASIO. Only for devices that have crummy drivers already will it be of any use,, At best it is an alternative to asio4all. As the man said, use ASIO supplied by your manufacture first. If that doesn't work, I'd personally shop for a better interface.
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/02 01:13:06
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TEZ
Got a realtek onboard with W10 OS, so I'm very happy that the platinum 2016.11 release
has got support for low latency WASAPI Shared mode, yay!
If it's not to stupid to ask since I've never used WASAPI before, and just to be sure,
could someone confirm, that in order for WASAPI in any mode to work, that under
"Audio - Playback and Recording", "Share Drivers With Other Programs" must be unchecked...
Cheers...
Its not necessary to uncheck it but its kind of irrelevant with WASAPI shared mode. All "share drivers with other programs" does is close the audio device when you switch focus to another app from SONAR. In WASAPI shared mode you may want to hear other apps at the same time so stopping audio from SONAR might not be what you want....
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TEZ
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Re: ASO vs WDM vs WASAPI - 11/2016 Update
2016/12/02 10:39:07
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
TEZ
Got a realtek onboard with W10 OS, so I'm very happy that the platinum 2016.11 release
has got support for low latency WASAPI Shared mode, yay!
If it's not to stupid to ask since I've never used WASAPI before, and just to be sure,
could someone confirm, that in order for WASAPI in any mode to work, that under
"Audio - Playback and Recording", "Share Drivers With Other Programs" must be unchecked...
Cheers...
Its not necessary to uncheck it but its kind of irrelevant with WASAPI shared mode. All "share drivers with other programs" does is close the audio device when you switch focus to another app from SONAR. In WASAPI shared mode you may want to hear other apps at the same time so stopping audio from SONAR might not be what you want....
Thanks Noel for the quick response. Initially couldn't get it to work until I unchecked the share option, but I must of done something wrong procedurally (?) plus I got a dropout notification, but thereafter it worked with the share option being irrelevant. One thing that was strange was when I switched back to MME for convenience to work on an existing project, on starting up Sonar Platinum 64 bit it reported that a whole bunch of iZotope plugs couldn't be found, tediously one at at a time, and crashed out. On restarting everything was fine! Any idea what was going on?? By the way the Sonar exe shortcut I always use is set to "run as administrator"...
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