konradh
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Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
I have Session Drummer 3 with Andy Johns and the Acoustic Expansion packs; EZ Drummer with the default kits (Pop/Rock and Cocktail) plus Nashville, Classic, and Vintage; Kontakt 5 which has some drum kits; Fab Four which has some drum kits; the Fantom synth built into my V-Studio; and my external synths (Tyros 2, JV-1080 with Bass/Drums card, and Kurzweil PC2R). It is hard to imagine that the Abbey Road bundle wouldn't be worth it, but, listening to the demo, nothing really jumps out at me as way beyond what I have. What say ye who have it?
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emwhy
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/17 16:36:15
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YES!!!!! YESSSSS!!!!! Seriously, I love them. There's so much more control over the individual elements in the kits, plus the new MIDI loop content. They were worth the price of me getting Komplete a few weeks back.
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djoni
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/17 16:53:13
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I am looking forward to try it out. I just bought Komplete 9 Ultimate which includes it and much more. It has 6 or seven drum packages. Awesome stuff. You don't have Superior Drummer 2? It my go to drums plug. best, joni
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/17 16:59:35
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They can be a bit CPU intensive mainly owing to a lot of the kits having transient shapers available on each drum.
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konradh
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/17 17:39:42
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Thanks, guys. I may order the bundle soon. The good thing is that since they are Kontakt instruments, I don't have to worry about getting a new VST to work which can sometimes be a pain (dll in wrong place, Sonar finding 32 instead of 64 bit dll, libraries not found, etc.).
post edited by konradh - 2013/03/17 18:00:57
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sharke
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/17 21:16:37
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Yes quite CPU intensive if you use the onboard mixing. I find that if I turn all of that off and recreate the same FX chain as plugins (Transient Master, Solid EQ etc) it is much less of a strain. The onboard AR mixing seems to spike one core for me, whereas if I use separate plugs it's more evenly distributed. Don't know if it's the same on other people's systems.
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/17 22:39:12
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for fun i loaded an instance of ar60s drums (2.4gb) and one of ar60s drummer (1.6gb) into one instance of kontakt and turned on several fx in 60s drummer for each drum and each mic position and came up with some neat mickey hart kinda (pseudo-poly) rhythms panned left and right. the only real prob i ran into was attaching lfos and envelope followers to certain parts of the patches. had convolution reverbs set up on several of the instrument fx as well. really tried to overload the system but wound up with cpu usage hovering around 15%. they're really great drums... ar60s early kit is 17,400 samples or so. can't beat the detail. while the abbey road "drummer" series takes less memory and uses less samples it still sounds great! you can crossgrade to komplete 9 for 399 so i would highly recommend that too.
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/18 07:26:21
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I have 70s AR.... really sit nice in the mix for the early 70s vibe.. I guess that you get what you pay here with this product. They have become my GOTO drum kit. JK
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/18 07:42:58
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/18 07:59:06
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I have been using Superior Drummerfor the last 18 months or so. For reasons unknown I loaded up AR drums about ten days ago and have been very impressed with the detail. It also has a better 'vibe' for my intentions but that is very subjective. Still researching the products but I could see them becoming my goto kits. Regards
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/18 08:13:44
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Abbey Road drums are amazing....Double them up with the Battery Jazz kit.....Awesome sound.
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/18 08:21:34
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Drum kits in Session Drummer and EZ Drummer are both processed (so I heard...I don't own them). But the kits in Abbey Road Drummer (and Studio Drummer) libraries are all unprocessed, meaning you'll have to apply EQ, compressor, etc., everything from scratch to make it sound really good in the mix (several mixer presets with these effects already applied are available for each kit, but I personally find them not very good). Although NI encourages users to use the built-in effects (I do use them) for convenience, the knobs on the effect modules and faders on the mixer don't show parameter values (and there's no compressor gain reduction meter, no EQ spectrum, etc.), so you'll have to completely rely on your ears. Also, I've realized that the Drummer libraries have noticeable volume differences between cymbals, etc. (I've only noticed this in 70s Drummer so far), so if you don't like that you'll have to edit the volume by going into Edit mode. I have AR70s, AR Modern Drummer and Studio Drummer, and love the AR ones very much.
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sharke
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/18 12:05:04
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Jlien X Although NI encourages users to use the built-in effects (I do use them) for convenience, the knobs on the effect modules and faders on the mixer don't show parameter values (and there's no compressor gain reduction meter, no EQ spectrum, etc.), so you'll have to completely rely on your ears. This drives me crazy. The EQ for example is the same as their Solid EQ effect, which DOES show parameter values. It's a huge omission. You have no idea what frequency you're boosting or cutting.
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/18 23:23:52
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fwiw if you need to see the parameter values for the fx, you can wrench the instruments and look at the bus sends and instrument fx which show them all. kinda a pain, yeah, but it's possible.
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/19 17:50:38
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I think the Abbey Roads Drummer series is great. And you won't regret buying it. But... But since you're asking "are they worth it?" I have to pause and ask, why are you looking for more drums? I've never used SD3, but I auditioned them with whatever update they first came with and thought they sounded perfectly fine. You also have EZDrummer, and I think EZD continues to sound great. You have HW stuff that may not compete sonically... but it sure can compete from a creative standpoint, nailing inspiration fast. I suppose there's a few reasons to get AR... or any additional drum libraries (but also check out SSD's new one): 1)If your productions are really suffering from some lack of drum detail 2)You just love producing and playing with new kickass drums. -- Joe "Both models work" Tabby
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konradh
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/19 21:54:16
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Maybe "worth it" was not the right way to ask. I was just gathering opinions. Nothing wrong with the drums I have, but I like to have diferent drum sounds on different songs while maintaining a consistent sound. In other words, I might have ten different acoustic snares on ten different songs, but it would not be consistent with my style to throw in a wildly electronic snare on a song. I like to have a wide variety of organic drum sounds. For example, I am always seeking a better kick: it needs to have a solid bottom without sounding too hard, and enough definition on the higher end to cut through without sounding like a disco slap. Toontrack EZ Drummer is great but I find the Nashville kit kick to sound a little too hard—like the head is too tight. I have found some good kicks in SD3, but finding drum sounds in the SD3 folders is not especially easy and it takes a long time to assemble a kit. Another example: I just used a snare from the Fantom synth built into the V-Studio for a song. It works perfectly in that song, but I may not use it again for a long time. Anyway, the comments here have been great. Thanks.
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/19 22:21:47
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Then you have many other options to choose from. Steven Slate Drums (even the EX version has many different drums) and BFD2/BFD Eco (I have the Eco version but hated its overall sounds so I uninstalled it), Addictive Drums, etc.
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/20 17:39:52
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Re:Abbey Road Drums Worth It?
2013/03/21 02:55:33
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Got an email from NI yesterday...they have shipped my Komplete 9 Ultimate. Great!!!
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