About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation.

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2011/04/19 19:04:08 (permalink)

About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation.

I have spent more time being frustrated with things not working than I have spent trying to create. My latest is that Kontakt Player stops the audio engine until I delete the tracks for it and the plug in from the explorer. I've not been able to use Reaktor either.  And why is it when you delete a track often times the track above is deleted also? Has anyone else had similar issues?
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    RobertB
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 19:50:13 (permalink)
    We'll need some information about your system.
    Sonar version, CPU, RAM, sound card, OS.
    When the audio engine drops out, it is almost always a result of some part of your system not keeping up.
    Your latency may be too low. RAM may not be adequate, especially with sample players with large libraries, such as Kontakt.
    I'm guessing you are deleting MIDI and /or synth audio tracks?
    You have an option to delete the track folder( if you have chosen not to show the pop-up box, you will not see the options, and will not be able to select them). If you are deleting the folder, all tracks related to a particular synth will be deleted.
    Do you have problems with the synths included with Sonar?

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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 21:13:46 (permalink)
    My system is only a couple of weeks old: MSI mobo, 2.3ghz dual-core amd, 2ghz ddr2 ram, 7200rpm hd for xp sp2 and apps, 7200rpm hd for plugins, samples, renderings, It has been tweaked. I did research and optimized it. As soon as Kontakt with 8 outputs loads( before i load an instrument in it) the audio stops working. Mind you this is opening a new blank project with only Kontakt. There is no audio or any other midi track in use.  I'm using asio4all without hardware buffering at 512k, 24bit 48khz for my Berhinger uca202 audio interface. Internet is disconnected also. No vsti's whether from Cakewalk  or not respond to midi even from the piano roll.  Audio and midi tracks get deleted. I understand about track folders. It happens to totally separate tracks.
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    ddpaulbell
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 21:17:17 (permalink)
    I meant to write 4gb of ram not 2. For sure.
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 22:42:38 (permalink)
    So, which version of SONAR Home Studio do you have?
    Also, this page http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx seems to indicate that Behringer has it's own ASIO drivers. If that is so, DELETE ASIO4All from your computer.
    Then download, unzip and install the Behringer ASIO audio driver.
     
    Plus, Cakewalk recommends updating to XP SP3, but they have some hotfixes for SP2
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2005243

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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 23:11:15 (permalink)
    I have version 7. I'll check on the asio driver and on the hotfixes.
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 23:18:48 (permalink)
    ddpaulbell

     No vsti's whether from Cakewalk  or not respond to midi even from the piano roll. 

    Big red flag.
    Let's see if we can get the basic stuff running before you throw in something more elaborate.
    From what I am reading, you have built a new PC, running XP SP2, AMD dual core CPU, dual 7200RPM HD's. Correct?
    So far, so good.
    I am going to assume you installed the MOBO chipset, USB, etc drivers.
    As Greg mentioned, there are ASIO drivers for the Behringer unit.
    Why are you using Asio4All?
    Are you sending your audio out to the uca202 or to your built-in sound card?
    In Sonar, what are your playback and record timing masters?
    Are you open to the idea of installing a more robust audio interface?

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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 23:29:59 (permalink)
    You should probably instal XP sp3 and double check all your drivers make sure they are current.
    Try doing a google search on  problems with the uca202 sometimes AMD processors have issues with audio hardware

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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/19 23:51:55 (permalink)
    I disabled the mobo sound in the bios. I've been sending audio through the uca202. I was using asio4all on my old pentium 4, gigabyte mobo without a problem. I tried a couple of other daw's with asio4all and no problems with audio or midi on this new system. What are playback and record timing masters?
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/20 00:24:03 (permalink)
    I don't really know how it happened. I checked all the settings in the asio4all control panel. I now have midi and audio! 256 samples, 5.3ms latency. I would sure like to to know what fixed it. Well, and what caused the problems. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

    Thanks for all your input also.
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/20 00:45:26 (permalink)
    I think I'm closer to to the answer. I saved the project, reopened the program, no midi or audio. I pushed apply in the audio panel. I now have midi and audio. For whatever reason when I open the program I must hit apply in the audio panel. It's very strange. The settings don't change when I close the program.
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/20 09:14:08 (permalink)
    I would suggest uninstalling ASIO4ALL and instalilng the native behringer ASIO drivers from that website that Greg linked to above.

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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/20 10:47:31 (permalink)
    Did you install the SHS 7 update from Cakewalk when you did the reinstall?
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/20081208
     
    Playback Timing Master is the setting that tells SHS what audio driver to use for playback, and which device to use.
    Record Timing Master is the setting that tells SHS what device to listen to while recording.
    They may be called 'Playback Device' and 'Recording Device' in the newer software.
    I hate when they change the names of stuff.

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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/20 14:36:43 (permalink)
    I replaced asio4all with Behringer's asio driver. I installed the SHS7 update. Now I'm back to no midi or audio. The playback and record timing masters are set for the UCA202.
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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/20 16:20:24 (permalink)
    did you restart after installing the behringer ASIO driver?

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    Re:About ready to give up on Sonar. Frustration does not lead to creation. 2011/04/23 15:49:43 (permalink)
    Check the UCA202 control panel. You obviously have something setup improperly. 

    What are you trying to record from? Its really designed to be used with a mixer. It doesn't have any preamps so if you're using a microphone or an electric, you need a preamp with line outs that need to be connected to the line ins. 


    To play a MIDI track, you have to insert a softsynth in the synth rack and assign the output of a MIDI track to the softsynth. 
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