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About the slowness of the Preferences Menu (I FOUND WHY)
Hi, that slowness of the "Preferences Menu" puzzles me. Am I alone ? Whatever Apply or Ok it takes about few seconds each time. For example, in Sonar 8.5.3, I can set the countoff of the metronome from the Transport bar and as in X1, I can't (or tell me please where I can without going in the Preferences menu" ?) I have to go to the Preferences Menu and I lose at least about 10 s. EDIT 1 : I uploaded 2 videos. One with 8.5.3, one with X1 : I start recording without countoff and I decide to have 1 measure of countoff - 8.5.3 - X1 You can count seconds between the moment I click to change the countoff and the moment the Recording button becomes red. CamStudio doesn't take the circle showing Windows "please wait" but I click record as soon as I can for X1. About 2s for 8.5.3, about 9s for X1. Sure, it's perhaps the only option in the Preferences Menu that needs to be instantaneous (for me at least) and perhaps I'm the only one using this like this but for me, comparably to 8.5.3, it's a step backward. EDIT 2 : In fact, in Sonar 8.5, I have this lag only when I go to Options -> Audio menu and click OK. It's about the same time (5s) in X1 or 8.5.3 excepted the 1st time I click OK in X1 (8s). So the only thing to explain why some of you have not this lag is related to your soundcard and its drivers I think. Unified Preferences but unified lag for me... EDIT 3 : I tried on a laptop with integrated sound card : it's instantaneous. So it depends of what soundcard you use. It could be cool from Cakewalk doing something for that.
post edited by Manolo - 2011/03/27 01:36:42
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 09:20:40
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I think if you right click on the metronome button in the transport bar, it does a popup for metronome settings??? Or it may just be a quick link to the preferences menu, I can't remember and not in front of the DAW
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 09:39:46
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Oh yes you are right, a right click on the metronome button opens the Preferences Menu on the metronome settings but it takes few seconds to close before I can start recording. Saving a project takes less than one or 2 seconds. If we could have an explanation of this by Cakewalk and if they can do something to avoid this waste of time.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 09:54:04
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please dont take this the wrong way but ithink cakewalk has there hands full right now with problems that may be just a little bit more important than losing 4-5seconds closing a preference menu..it takes about 3 for mine to close.i understand your metrodone question but unless your waiting in excess of 15 seconds for your menu to close.(which is not normal.than this issue is normal
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 10:02:27
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Excepted that it doesn't do this in 8.5.3 and loosing time with this AND with bugs is a bit annoying when using Sonar every days. So no, for me, its' not a small one. I want something reactive, especially when there's no obvious reason to explain this.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 10:06:30
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this is pretty simple isnt it..this isnt 8.5.3..is it??
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 10:08:04
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Manolo Excepted that it doesn't do this in 8.5.3 and loosing time with this AND with bugs is a bit annoying when using Sonar every days. So no, for me, its' not a small one. I want something reactive, especially when there's no obvious reason to explain this. well good luck with this..im sure they get on it right away.losing a couple seconds?
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 10:13:33
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Sure you seems to have time to lose with my thread. So few seconds more or less with Preferences Menu, I understand you don't care... ^_^
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 10:21:28
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i am trying to help you by saying there are worse problems than the prefernce menu closing a little slow..sure i notice it to.but im telling you honestly.cake isnt going to get on this right away..i didnt mean to make it sound like your problem is small if thats what i did..im just telling you,your thread here will have no replys to answer your question about the menu closing a little slow.and if you have bugs.sens a report to cakewalk so they can address those issues properly.i think you will have better luck posting your questions about your bug problem than you would looking for answers as to why the prefernce menu closes a little slower than it did in 8/5/3..how long we talking here..like i said..mine closes in 3-5 seconds..if its anymore than 10-15..well than you have a problem that no one here will be able to solve and you should get a hold of tech support.i hope you get everything worked out..and best of luck.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 12:53:02
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I bet it has something to do with being able to switch audio devices without having to exit SONAR to use the device
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 13:09:10
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THere's some lag time across the board in various functions actually. The browser? Sheesh man when you switch from any other tab to "media" you get a several second pause while SONAR thinks about it. The file browser is something Cake have trumpeted for the last few versions and it is still a little clunky. Given how fast and elegant Live and StudioOne's browsers are I wouldn't really brag until I knew I had a slam dunk. Screensets? Big pauses there too. Sometimes total hangs even. To me screensets only have value at all if they are instantaneous. SAW+ had 'em and it was great. Hitting a button to get a different view and then having to wait to load it means I should just adjust whatever the current view is instead, since it'll take the same amount of time. I'm actually far happier than the grumpy tone above suggests, but they are two issues that seem to not go away and this being almost relevant figured I'd share.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 13:13:55
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...wicked The browser? Sheesh man when you switch from any other tab to "media" you get a several second pause while SONAR thinks about it. The file browser is something Cake have trumpeted for the last few versions and it is still a little clunky. Given how fast and elegant Live and StudioOne's browsers are I wouldn't really brag until I knew I had a slam dunk. Screensets? Big pauses there too. Sometimes total hangs even. To me screensets only have value at all if they are instantaneous. SAW+ had 'em and it was great. Hitting a button to get a different view and then having to wait to load it means I should just adjust whatever the current view is instead, since it'll take the same amount of time. I'm actually far happier than the grumpy tone above suggests, but they are two issues that seem to not go away and this being almost relevant figured I'd share. Wicked both those issues might be taken care of with disabling your floppy drive in your BIOS. My access to Browser and switching Screen Sets is almost instant and it's been reported that even though you may not have or use a floppy the BIOS tries to check there anyway slowing down both Screen Sets, which sometimes include the browser, and the browser. Worth a try. This from the knowledge base http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013218 Opening Browser and/or Switching Screensets containing Browser slow on some computers The information in this article applies to: If you are experiencing slow load times when doing either of the following: - opening the Browser
- creating a project from a template containing the Browser
- switching between Screensets that contain the Browser
You may be able to speed up the performance. When the Browser is opened, the Media Browser portion of the Browser searches your hard drive for content. It will also search any external hard drives, optical drives, or even a floppy disk drive that you have connected to your computer. In Windows, if you go into Start | Computer do you have a Floppy Disk Drive listed under "Devices with Removable Storage"? If you see a Floppy Disk Drive listed but do not have one physically installed, you may still have drivers enabled for a Floppy Disk Controller that is built into your computer's motherboard. Trying to open a Floppy Disk Drive in Windows without having a physical Floppy Disk Drive can take time before Windows detects that there is no media to be read. If this is the case on your computer, it may be slowing down SONAR's Browser performance. To see if this is impacting the performance on your computer, try doing the following: - Open the Run Command by holding down the Windows key on your keyboard and pressing "r"
- At the run prompt, type the following: devmgmt.msc
- Click [OK]. This will open the Windows Device Manager
- Click the [+] symbol to the left of "Floppy Disk Drives"
- Right-click on the "Floppy Disk Drive" listed below and select "Disable"
NOTE: this can always be re-enabled at any time by right-clicking and selecting "Enable" . Afterwards, test opening the Browser and switching Screensets to see if it loads faster. Keep in mind that this will not speed up the performance of your computer overall. If you are experiencing overall performance issues, we recommend contacting Technical Support for further assistance. Version: 1.00, Last Updated: 1/7/2011
post edited by HumbleNoise - 2011/03/24 13:16:38
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 14:14:53
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from the knowledgebase: When the Browser is opened, the Media Browser portion of the Browser searches your hard drive for content. It will also search any external hard drives, optical drives, or even a floppy disk drive that you have connected to your computer. That is probably a very poor design choice. Why would it search everything? How many of us have audio content everywhere? Why not have it just search its default audio content path, and let us add certain other folders or drives that we might want it to search? Or even have a little checkbox somewhere that says "search everywhere" but have it un-checked by default? Do the developers and testers only have a couple of fast hard drives attached to their machines? I've got a lot of network drives mapped and the browser is so painfully slow to use I don't ever open it--unless I mistakenly hit the 'b' key. (gotta un-map that one...)
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 14:33:52
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tarsier from the knowledgebase: When the Browser is opened, the Media Browser portion of the Browser searches your hard drive for content. It will also search any external hard drives, optical drives, or even a floppy disk drive that you have connected to your computer. That is probably a very poor design choice. Why would it search everything? How many of us have audio content everywhere? Why not have it just search its default audio content path, and let us add certain other folders or drives that we might want it to search? Or even have a little checkbox somewhere that says "search everywhere" but have it un-checked by default? Do the developers and testers only have a couple of fast hard drives attached to their machines? I've got a lot of network drives mapped and the browser is so painfully slow to use I don't ever open it--unless I mistakenly hit the 'b' key. (gotta un-map that one...) Let me see if I understand. Your browser is painfully slow so you don't use it? And it's just a poor design decision? Can I assume that it's OK the way it is for you, and no more help or advice on how to perhaps get it work faster is needed/wanted?
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 21:07:41
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im missing something here..my browser opens right up..then again my floppy is disabled but then again does it really have anything to do with the preference menu taking 3-5 seconds to close?...which was the op's concern..no disrespect but,,i dont find im losing major time with the menu taking under 5,7 or even 10 seconds to close..how often are we opening our preference menu??in one project id say 20 tops..so were losing 5 seconds each??your losing 1 minute 40 seconds a project..i think theres other things that can slow me down.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/24 21:25:49
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My preferences menu closes immediately and you're right cb, it is OT. I thought I'd help wicked figure out his slow browser but no good deed eh?
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 09:58:55
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Manolo Hi, that slowness of the "Preferences Menu" puzzles me. Am I alone ? Whatever Apply, Ok, or Close, it takes about few seconds each time. For example, in Sonar 8.5.3, I can set the countoff of the metronome from the Transport bar and as in X1, I can't (or tell me please where I can without going in the Preferences menu" ?) I have to go to the Preferences Menu and I lose at least about 10 s. Your post got me to check this since I didn't recall this being a big issue. Any of the options takes 1 - maybe 2 seconds absolutely at the most on my system. A quick hour glass as SONAR saves the setting and done. Honestly I find this to be quite acceptable. My guess is if it is taking up to 10 seconds (!!) to do this there is a system issue at play - something is clearly not right.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 10:06:57
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...wicked THere's some lag time across the board in various functions actually. The browser? Sheesh man when you switch from any other tab to "media" you get a several second pause while SONAR thinks about it. The file browser is something Cake have trumpeted for the last few versions and it is still a little clunky. Given how fast and elegant Live and StudioOne's browsers are I wouldn't really brag until I knew I had a slam dunk. Screensets? Big pauses there too. Sometimes total hangs even. To me screensets only have value at all if they are instantaneous. SAW+ had 'em and it was great. Hitting a button to get a different view and then having to wait to load it means I should just adjust whatever the current view is instead, since it'll take the same amount of time. I'm actually far happier than the grumpy tone above suggests, but they are two issues that seem to not go away and this being almost relevant figured I'd share. Wicked - I don't have a high powered system by any stretch and I don't see any lags at all in the browser. I can for example switch from my default media directory on my D drive to the Cakewalk content folder on C - and there is absolutely no lag at all. Very quick and responsive. I can switch from media to plugins to synth tabs and back with no lag at all. Virtually instantaneous here. I think the recommendation to check if a floppy drive is being accessed might be a good one. I have never had an issue with screensets in X1A - certainly didn't notice a difference going to X1B - but I will take a closer look at them when I have a chance.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 11:16:03
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I uploaded 2 videos. One with 8.5.3, one with X1 : I start recording without countoff and I decide to have 1 measure of countoff - 8.5.3 - X1 You can count seconds between the moment I click to change the countoff and the moment the Recording button becomes red. CamStudio doesn't take the circle showing Windows "please wait" but I click record as soon as I can for X1. About 2s for 8.5.3, about 9s for X1. Sure, it's perhaps the only option in the Preferences Menu that needs to be instantaneous (for me at least) and perhaps I'm the only one using this like this but for me, comparably to 8.5.3, it's a step backward.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 11:32:56
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Mine opens and closes right away. Would be nice if the Prefrences shortcut key would work when a project isn't open also.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 11:43:39
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Manolo I uploaded 2 videos. One with 8.5.3, one with X1 : I start recording without countoff and I decide to have 1 measure of countoff - 8.5.3 - X1 You can count seconds between the moment I click to change the countoff and the moment the Recording button becomes red. CamStudio doesn't take the circle showing Windows "please wait" but I click record as soon as I can for X1. About 2s for 8.5.3, about 9s for X1. Sure, it's perhaps the only option in the Preferences Menu that needs to be instantaneous (for me at least) and perhaps I'm the only one using this like this but for me, comparably to 8.5.3, it's a step backward. Sorry - did not look at either of your videos. Never was a question of whether or not YOU are seeing the difference you indicate between 8.5.3 and X1. My point, and that of some others is that we are not seeing the kind of lag in X1 that you are. For example - I just changed the Countoff from 1 measure (my default) to 2 measures - it takes less than a second to Apply, then less than a second to Close the Preferences menu when I do that. So - all I can say is that it is something (graphics card??) specific to your system.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 11:52:57
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It's also why I wrote this thread : to know if it comes from Sonar X1 or my config, despite of the fact that it perfectly works in Sonar 8.5.3... My Specs : - i7 920 @ 3,4 Ghz - 12 Gb RAM - NVidia 9800 GT (1Gb RAM Fanless) - VS-700C - Windows 7 64bits Do you think it could come from graphic card but why ? And why it's instantaneous in 8.5.3 ? :(
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 11:55:49
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Way out there idea but did you try disabling the floppy drive in your BIOS? I know that's very off he wall but it can't hurt. Or did you call tech support for some help?
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 13:23:54
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Manolo It's also why I wrote this thread : to know if it comes from Sonar X1 or my config, despite of the fact that it perfectly works in Sonar 8.5.3... My Specs : - i7 920 @ 3,4 Ghz - 12 Gb RAM - NVidia 9800 GT (1Gb RAM Fanless) - VS-700C - Windows 7 64bits Do you think it could come from graphic card but why ? And why it's instantaneous in 8.5.3 ? :( I wouldn't think it is the card - I have an NVidia 9500 GT myself. But maybe a setting. But, as Humblenoise points out, maybe the floppy controller is the culprit, especially if you are also seeing the long delays when accessing media using the browser. On my system, the browser is also very speedy. Floppy disabled from bios right away.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 13:50:36
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I have no delay with browser or screensets. I have no floppy controller on my motherboard (ASUS P6T SE). Out of thread : what version of NVidia drivers do you use please ? I installed few months ago the 260.99 (I'm not sure) and it killed my system (I had to go in safe Windows mode and installed old drivers I kept). Does the 265.58 is ok for you ?
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 15:03:53
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I am not at my DAW at the moment so I can't check. I will say, though that I haven't updated the driver in something like a year. It is one of those things that if it is working, I don't generally update.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 15:28:15
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HumbleNoise Wicked both those issues might be taken care of with disabling your floppy drive in your BIOS. This does seem to help a bit, thanks man!
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 17:32:56
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Hey Manolo I have the same video card, using 266.58 drivers on a single monitor, 60Hz, 1920X1080, 32 bit color. Full hardware acceleration, Normal size DPI, video card BIOS version 62.92.6D.00.07. WinXP, DirectX 9.0c No problems here - Preferences close in under 1 second. Thinking aloud: closing preferences writes the changes to aud.ini and the registry (I think the count-in is actually registry, but closing Preferences has to write everything out just in case). Is there any reason why your system would have trouble either writing aud.ini (like it's on a removable drive?), or trouble writing to the registry? I know both of these are unlikely, but worth a thought perhaps? Cheers, Peter.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/25 18:57:55
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Hi Peter, thanks, I'll try the new drivers tomorrow. I thought the same thing about registry and aud.ini but it's an internal SATA 2 drive and Sonar X1 is the only software where I have this kind of lag. Weird but I have to investigate if some of you haven't any lag by clicking Apply or Ok button.
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Re:About the slowness of the Preferences Menu
2011/03/26 15:15:00
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Well, the drivers works ok but that has not solved the lag. I'll install X1 on a Laptop and will see how it reacts.
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