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Acoustic Guitar Mics
I want to get the best sound I can (on a budget) I already have THESE * Free I'm considering THESE $179 on sale But would really like THESE $499 <edit: reversed links on # 1 and # 2> *Note: I bought them for live drums and used them once. I have not tried them on acoustic guitar yet. No mater what I use it will be in an XY config on the neck (12th fret) and I'll use either my AKG-414 or my SP-1 on the body. Any suggestions? Bear in mind that I record acoustic guitar maybe one out of 10 songs.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 14:37:40
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AEA R84
I've been double tracking with that and a few different SDCs lately and the SDC's never make it to the mix.
The R84 is super smooth... you'll have to boost the upper mids... but it sounds sweet when you do so.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 14:48:12
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$1000 is out of the budget. 
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 14:50:43
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Every now and then I have a revelation... the AEA R84s were one of them.
There must be several places in LA that will let you try one.
I'll bet a guy like you could get one for $900 anyways.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 14:59:29
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Plus the $868 for the Ribbon Pre? When does it ever end?
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:04:16
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What do you need a Ribbon Pre for?
Don't you have a couple pres?
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:05:47
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What do you need a Ribbon Pre for?
Don't you have a couple pres?
Ok, I'll bite. Why do they make Ribbon Pres if regular pres work?
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:30:45
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To sell of course.
The so called Ribbon Pre has about 10dB more gain than most pro grade preamps.
The extra gain can be useful with quiet sources... like sensitive singer-poet-not-really-guitarist-types, or small orchestras recorded from 40 feet back.
I use regular old preamps for my acoustic guitar and singing and the mics do seem a bit quiet but they can be pushed hard and still sound incredibly smooth.
You just add the Gloss and it gets all sweet sweet.
best regards,
mike
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:32:52
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So.... what's this Gloss gonna cost me?
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:34:30
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Basically... you have to agree to be assimilated... then they let you use it.
As much as you want.
Pre or post... even.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:36:12
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:36:30
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mike_mccue
To sell of course.
The so called Ribbon Pre has about 10dB more gain than most pro grade preamps.
best regards,
mike
I think they also have a much higher input impedance.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:38:19
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I think of me as just a much higher impediment.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:39:53
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the blue spark on the body and the CAD CM217 - on the 12th fret
problem every tenth song solved
you do know what a blue spark microphone is don't you ?
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:45:26
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:49:11
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mike_mccue
To sell of course.
The so called Ribbon Pre has about 10dB more gain than most pro grade preamps.
best regards,
mike
I think they also have a much higher input impedance.
If you specifically mean the AEA pre amp, well that particular item does indeed have a wildly high input impedance and it serves as a good example that other dedicated ribbon pre circuits with extremely low input impedance are probably suitable for ribbon pres for reasons other than the actual input impedance. For example; at one time Rupert Neve, a guy who now favors a 10kohm input impedance, designed a 50ohm input circuit into his famous large consoles and he suggested that this input was for the old ribbon mics. What is not often mentioned in descriptions of that input is that Mr Neve also added 6+dB of gain to that input and so the impression that the dedicated input was helpful was not based on the actual input impedance but rather the gain structure of the circuit. I've been plugging one of my AEA R84s into a John Hardy M1 this week. I'd use it with any of my rack pres. best regards, mike
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 15:59:25
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mike_mccue
For example; at one time Rupert Neve, a guy who now favors a 10kohm input impedance, designed a 50ohm input circuit into his famous large consoles and he suggested that this input was for the old ribbon mics. What is not often mentioned in descriptions of that input is that Mr Neve also added 6+dB of gain to that input and so the impression that the dedicated input was helpful was not based on the actual input impedance but rather the gain structure of the circuit.
And they say Rupert was bats#!t crazy?
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:04:53
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bapu
I'm considering THESE $179 on sale
Those are listed as $59.98 for two (BOGOFF) 
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:06:50
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i have to say, the shure ksm44 i bought for vocals, works EXTEMELY WELL for acoustic guitar
will become my 'go-to' mic
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:09:09
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Karyn
bapu
I'm considering THESE $179 on sale
Those are listed as $59.98 for two (BOGOFF)
Reversed the links on # 1 & # 2 above. Corrected now.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:11:29
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Mooch4056
if you want me to send you audio samples of them using it - I will
Yes please.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:25:46
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Mooch4056
you do know what a blue spark microphone is don't you ?
I think I've heard of it, ya.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:40:02
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There is nothing like a pair of Neumann KM 184s on an acoustic guitar, particularly if they are autographed by Gary.
Not arguing for anything remotely stereo, just one pointed at the bridge and another pointed at the place where the frets meet the soundhole, both angled away from the soundhole.
Then add a large diaphragm mic like a Manley or another Neumann (this one with Alfred E's autograph) about 5 feet back picking up the sound of the guitar in the room.
Dragonflys are pretty cool too. But the 184 is the best. Also get one with Randy's signature on it.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:42:50
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Maurice,
$2K is well beyond my budget. But I am sure they are top drawer.
Especially if Gary and Randy use them (being short people in cars no doubt)
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:43:56
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Some people call me Maurice SPLAT Pro lifetime, ADK 6 core 3.6Ghz with 32 GB RAM, SSD 1TB system drive, 3 3TB regular drives for samples, recordings and misc. Behringer X Touch, UAD Apollo Quad. 2 UAD2 Quads PCI (i think - inside the box whatever that is), Console 1. More guitars (40??) and synths (hard and soft) than talent. Zendrum!!!
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:44:45
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steal them
DOH!
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:49:12
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You will not know what I'm talking about until you take your most very favorite pair of condenser mics and do you very best job of placing them at the 12th and the board and then compare the very best you can do with that to the results you can get by placing a AEA R84 about 18" back and just playing some guitar.
After you compare them... I'll bet you think the ribbon mic sounds like what you always hoped for.
I keep saying (and own a pair of) the R84 because it's a cheap version of the RCA 77... it should be pretty easy to learn about the rich history of the 77 and how lots of guys with access to the very best German condenser mics still like to have a 77 around for guitar and mando. It just doesn't get any better... warts and all.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 16:53:25
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Maurice,
$2K is well beyond my budget. But I am sure they are top drawer.
Especially if Gary and Randy use them (being short people in cars no doubt)
The 184s are so well unliked that if you hunt around you'll able to find a brand new pair for about $1400. The old 84's sound nice. I have some Schoeps MK41's and easy access to 2 84s and 2 184s. They are all real good for distance mic applications.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 17:00:16
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Unless you spend at least $2000 on the mics and $5000 on the preamp and record a $7500 guitar in an acoustically-treated room, it will suck. There's no way around it.
(or at least that's the excuse I use for my acoustic recordings)
I just use two Rodes - actually one NT1 and one NT1000A that are not "stereo matched", but I don't use the X-Y pattern when recording stereo.
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Re:Acoustic Guitar Mics
2011/06/16 17:03:58
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