KenB123
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Acoustic Insulation
I am considering adding some ceiling acoustic insulation. This would be to quiet leakage from the basement (listening area) up to the first level area. Currently I have drop-down ceiling tiles, and I would be putting the insulation treatment between the floor boards above the drop-down tiles. The insulation must also be fireproof because some would end up near furnace ducts. Via websearch I found 'Quiet Batt' ( http://www.soundprooffoam.com/quiet-batt-insulation.html) and 'Auralex Insulation' ( http://www.markertek.com/Acoustic-Materials/Acoustic-Construction-Products/Auralex-Acoustics/2MF24.xhtml). Anybody use any other products/recommendations? Note that I am not trying to build a total soundproof environment. Rather, just seeking a cost-effective solution to reduce any sound leakage.
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jimmyman
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 12:30:27
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I was thinking about the question of the term "overuse" of groove. Some bands be them old or new do overuse it. In modern times it's the "boom boom" or the same old "chord progression". However some of the older groups have also fallen into the "same old sound" subject from song to song. Whenever I ask a non musician what they like about a song it is almost always "the beat". But I never recall a musician using "beat" as a term. Musicians are a little different in our views on music in some ways but we are non the less still people. To use a comparative term such as "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" it becomes apparent that whether a song has groove or not depends on a given person. I think that a "diversity" in the structure of the groove within a given song is nice. Songs that have "distinction" in the different areas of the song are more interesting. Something I found interesting when looking at my works and those of others who did works that sounded good was that "they" had this distinction that I did (not) have. Just playing "chords" is somewhat like just filling a glass of water. There comes a point where the glass becomes full of the same thing. I had noticed when I added parts to a song such as "strings" (to use as an example although it could be any part) that playing just chords left it sounding bland. Sometimes even a simple "one note" phrase or lick can do more than a chord can. As of late I'm trying now to play bass parts in a more diversified manner. I found that I was playing the bass as a "roll" part instead of a "meaningful" part. And the same applys to how I was approaching other parts/instruments as well. I think I may have fallen into habits when arranging and playing parts. It's like "just playing" instead of "doing something (with) the playing"
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skullsession
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 13:14:04
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jimmyman I was thinking about the question of the term "overuse" of groove. Some bands be them old or new do overuse it. In modern times it's the "boom boom" or the same old "chord progression". However some of the older groups have also fallen into the "same old sound" subject from song to song. Whenever I ask a non musician what they like about a song it is almost always "the beat". But I never recall a musician using "beat" as a term. Musicians are a little different in our views on music in some ways but we are non the less still people. To use a comparative term such as "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" it becomes apparent that whether a song has groove or not depends on a given person. I think that a "diversity" in the structure of the groove within a given song is nice. Songs that have "distinction" in the different areas of the song are more interesting. Something I found interesting when looking at my works and those of others who did works that sounded good was that "they" had this distinction that I did (not) have. Just playing "chords" is somewhat like just filling a glass of water. There comes a point where the glass becomes full of the same thing. I had noticed when I added parts to a song such as "strings" (to use as an example although it could be any part) that playing just chords left it sounding bland. Sometimes even a simple "one note" phrase or lick can do more than a chord can. As of late I'm trying now to play bass parts in a more diversified manner. I found that I was playing the bass as a "roll" part instead of a "meaningful" part. And the same applys to how I was approaching other parts/instruments as well. I think I may have fallen into habits when arranging and playing parts. It's like "just playing" instead of "doing something (with) the playing" LOL....wrong thread, Jimmy!
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 13:15:32
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I've been laughing to hard...you beat me skull!
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jimmyman
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 14:00:56
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I've been laughing to hard...you beat me skull! Now I've got "the wrong thread phobia" No wait? Maybe I had it all along and now it "bit me". Can I blame it on "brain cramps"? I'll really have to keep an eye on this computer too. It is getting bad about putting my remarks in the wrong thread. Yeah that's it, that's what happened That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Sorry.
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bitflipper
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 14:26:29
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Ken, when evaluating acoustical isolation materials, keep in mind the underlying physical principles: in order to attenuate sound transmission, the material must either be absorbent enough to dissipate most of the energy put into it, or rigid and massive enough that it simply refuses to accept the energy and instead reflects it back into the room. Absorbers make lousy isolators, because it takes such an enormous thickness to achieve significant broadband transmission loss. The materials you've linked to offer very poor isolation, especially at low frequencies. They might be acceptable in an office building, where you're trying to block conversations and office noise, but it would probably end up being a waste of money in a studio. If you want to get practical levels of isolation (40+db loss) you'll need to replace the drop ceiling with 3/8" drywall, attached using isolation devices made for that purpose.
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drewfx1
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 14:53:13
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jimmyman I've been laughing to hard...you beat me skull! Now I've got "the wrong thread phobia" No wait? Maybe I had it all along and now it "bit me". Can I blame it on "brain cramps"? I'll really have to keep an eye on this computer too. It is getting bad about putting my remarks in the wrong thread. Yeah that's it, that's what happened That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Sorry. You should have just blamed it on the new forum SW.... Wait, I mean, You should have just blamed it on the new forum SW... drewfx
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 18:33:42
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I agree with Bitflipper, my mom would have paid dearly for some soundblocking on the basement ceiling many a night when I was down there with my buds.....the batts didn't do much.
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KenB123
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 20:01:52
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bitflipper Absorbers make lousy isolators, because it takes such an enormous thickness to achieve significant broadband transmission loss. The materials you've linked to offer very poor isolation, especially at low frequencies. They might be acceptable in an office building, where you're trying to block conversations and office noise, but it would probably end up being a waste of money in a studio. If you want to get practical levels of isolation (40+db loss) you'll need to replace the drop ceiling with 3/8" drywall, attached using isolation devices made for that purpose. Good point. The purpose actually is to quiet a proposed second TV/Audio listening area that lies below the main family room area. The bass will be the predominant leakage problem. Being that the insulation I specified in the OP is not cheap, I would hate to spend that and find it is not much improved. The drywall replacement with isolation devices will have to considered, although a bit more work than I had hoped for. Thanks.
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bitflipper
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/09 22:16:14
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a bit more work than I had hoped for Acoustics are just like any other home improvement project: it always comes down to a choice between sweat or money, whichever hurts least.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/10 07:03:15
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Bit's spot on - the only way to achieve an acceptable degree of isolation is through a combination of mass & air space. Remember that one nail punched through in the wrong place will decrease the transmission loss by a huge amount making the whole construction a complete waste of time, money & effort.
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KenB123
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/10 12:11:07
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I also received a recommendation to the following website. There is some interesting, easy to understand overviews of various soundproofing scenarios, and the options available for improvement. Granted this is from a commercial product distribution company, but it is informative for anyone new to this. http://www.soundproofingcompany.com/
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Acoustic Insulation
2009/11/10 15:54:27
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