lawajava
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Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
Thought I'd pass this on. I was watching some YouTube clip and this one came up as a related item and I happened to check it out. It's a simple demonstration of how to make some nice choices regarding getting ambience for an acoustic guitar. This technique could apply to a bunch of stuff. I think the presenter is great. He's brief, he's to the point, and demos something that's useful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXcroViJnA The tool he used is from Boz Digital. Panther. It's $49, and there's no sale price on it presently. http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/panther/ It is refreshing to see it so clearly put.
post edited by lawajava - 2015/05/30 13:16:15
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/05/30 13:16:37
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Interesting, thanks 
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/05/30 21:03:53
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/05/31 03:50:12
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Fabfilters Timeless also does mid/side.
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/05/31 11:48:39
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There are a lot of Mid/Side tools lately... which I think is a very good thing!
I've been processing Left, Right, Mid, and Side independently since the days of tape (on an old fashioned console it was almost unavoidable<G>!)
It tip my hat to the folks at Boz Digital - at $50 I'm tempted to pick up Panther just to make my life a little easier. While it doesn't do everything on earth, neither does any other M/S tool, and I think they covered all the basics.
I am also impressed with the video - I think he covered all the bases in almost no time. Well done!
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lawajava
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/06/01 00:38:21
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I agree there's lots of Mid Side functionality appearing in plugins now. And Timeless 2 certainly has it.
I found this video helpful because it introduced a delay concept on the Mid Side mixing which sounds like a nice control.
Short and sweet intro to a concept.
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/06/01 09:16:35
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2015/06/01 12:09:35
Guitar Rig 5 has this. I guess I need to experiment some with it. 
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/06/01 10:13:08
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that plug is very effective.
nice link, thanks!
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/06/01 12:23:23
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Channels tools plug into any delay, wouldn't this be able to do the same?
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/06/01 13:02:18
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yes, Channel Tools driving a couple of compressors, a couple equalizers, and a couple delay lines would do the trick... and if that's too much then you can do the same thing with five channels<G>!
It is probably best, if you are just getting started with Mid-Side processing, to just work with mid and side, but if you want to stretch a bit try processing L, R, Mid, and Side individually. You can create some really cool effects!
Don't be afraid to try ANY processor with a Mid/Side processor, including (especially?) reverb.
aside - (many!!!) years ago I built this goofy reverb out of half a dozen springs and half a dozen digital delay lines. At the time digital delays were still a bit on the noisy side, and this thing wasn't terribly useful, too much noise buildup, but it could create some bizarre sonic images! I have to find the old drawings, I can't remember exactly how I routed stuff, but essentially I had discrete delay and reverb for left, right, mid, and side, as well as additional discrete delay and reverb for the resulting left and right channels, and it sticks in my mind that I had an additional delay/spring reverb for a final center channel.
It was a beast! Some of the springs were just spring boxes I bought from PAIA, some were MasterMix reverbs that included rudimentary tone controls. Eventually I added inserts for each path so I could patch in equalizers and compressors, but at the time I didn't own enough of either to actually try it!
Another trick, which you don't see used a lot any more, is adding some inverted opposite channel information, add inverted left to right and inverted right to left - not unlike some of the Mid/Side processing tricks, but a quick way to place sounds outside the loudspeakers!
None of which takes anything away from Panther!
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Re: Acoustic guitar - nice room ambience technique
2015/06/01 16:03:00
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I've pulled off something similar by cloning a stereo guitar track and placing an instance of Voxengo MSED on each to essentially split out Mid and Side into separate tracks, allowing each to be effected independently. It was a one-time experiment, though, as I decided it was too much work for too little benefit.
But that was before M/S became so ubiquitous. Nowadays I've got compressors and equalizers (Pro-C and Pro-Q in particular) that do M/S and I use them routinely in that mode. And now that lawajava's sparked this conversation, I'm thinking I should explore Timeless2's M/S feature.
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