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2011/06/19 15:28:32 (permalink)

Acoustic guitar questions...

Have you ever heard the "perfect" acoustic guitar recording?
If so, what was it?
Did it have many of the noises that may seem to be "part of it" -to many -such
as finger, pick, squeaks, rattles or buzzes?
Was it the best to you because it was played clean?

One of the most famous, sloppy guitar players I ever heard was one of the
best that ever recorded....Jimmy Page -acoustic and electric.

It just seems to me when I listen to many of the famous musicians it's just
not unusual to hear noise from not only the instrument or amps/lines but
also the physical sounds such as finger/ string squeaks, pick, etc.

So I find it interesting that I can hear it from the best and it's all good but
I can read reviews here that make it sound like it's a bad thing.
Just kinda curious about that. Whatcha think?

Personally I like to hear the "human" part of the sound and also the instrument
being "pushed" to the edge.
It seems that maybe digital being "squeaky" clean can sure take the "life" away.
I bought a bass guitar because that's exactly how recording with Trilian made
me feel. I needed more than just the notes.



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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 15:45:44 (permalink)
    No Spacey I have not but then perfect is subjective?

    All the best acoustics have playing noises it makes it real if you get my drift.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 16:11:55 (permalink)
    Well my friend and SMB partner Larry gets some wonderful acoustic tones from his Taylor, but I do love the huge 'organic' sound from this tiny guitar;

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 16:16:56 (permalink)
    The song I thought of when reading your post is Water Song by Hot Tuna from Final Vinyl.
    Always loved the sound of that acoustic juxtaposed with the heavy, distorted bass guitar.
    Jorma Kaukonen rarely gets mentioned among the better guitarists in the world, and Jack Casady is also somewhat forgotten.
    They jammed, man!
    Had to dig out the LP and give it a listen, which begs the question: is Final Vinyl on CD?

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 16:22:40 (permalink)
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    The song I thought of when reading your post is Water Song by Hot Tuna from Final Vinyl.
    Always loved the sound of that acoustic juxtaposed with the heavy, distorted bass guitar.
    Jorma Kaukonen rarely gets mentioned among the better guitarists in the world, and Jack Casady is also somewhat forgotten.
    They jammed, man!
    Had to dig out the LP and give it a listen, which begs the question: is Final Vinyl on CD?


    Yes it is Greg;

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 16:43:26 (permalink)
    For me it's all about the intensity of the performance, I couldn't care less about recording quality,fingernoise and such if somebody pushes themselves to create something new or an interesting take on something old. Playing something to absolute perfection is for me a pointless exercise and usually means a boring performance. The best acoustic recording ever is anything by Django Reinhardt from the 1930's. Even though Django is the best guitarist ever, , there are lots of little mistakes,fluffed notes, missed harmonics etc but the guitar playing is the most inventive I've ever heard and that is what I like to listen to.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 17:44:59 (permalink)
    There are of course many great recordings of acoustic guitar out there.  Everything from solo work to ensemble performances.  Most any of the great engineers from Nashville (Chuck Ainlay comes to mind) know all the secrets to recording the acoustic.  I am also constantly amazed at how clean and deep the recordings are of James Taylors acoustics...both the instruments and the playing.  When I use an acoustic in a project that's what I'm shooting for.  I seldom succeed. 

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 18:05:03 (permalink)
    Cool. A couple that don't care about "noise" and some that remember
    a guitar sound they love.

    I don't think it's the equipment that we record with as much as I think
    it's the attitude.
    What I mean is that now it is so much easier to get quiet than it was
    with analog. If I'm right then it's natural and understandable to read
    people remark about every little sound. I just don't find much value in
    them mentioning they hear a string buzz....lol...and maybe you may
    understand why I find the humor in it.

    I guess it's like when I look out the window at 30,000ft+ and watch the rivets
    rattle around in the wing.....just part of it and if somebody kept mentioning it
    like it was something we all must know about...like a big problem....I'd just
    have to kinda laugh to myself and hope they didn't wig completely out. lol.




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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 18:52:06 (permalink)
    I have to agree with myolpal.... James Taylor's recorded acoustic guitar is what I hold as a target. Peter Asher sure knew what he was doing. For acoustic - electric I tend to like the sounds of many of the Artists on Windham hill. Especially Michael Hedges.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 19:11:30 (permalink)
    It's the whole package - or, if you will, the entire "sound painting" that makes it or breaks it for me.  "The Clap," done by Yes (can't remember the album) is a fun little acoustic solo where Steve Howe really runs the field.  Plenty of "noises" in that one, and it makes the song what it is.




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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 19:25:04 (permalink)
    Russell, The Clap was a live recording from the Album named "The Yes Album" - My Favorite of theirs but still haven't got it on CD.  That was truly an amazing performance and it seemed to have been recorded well. 

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 20:41:58 (permalink)
    Two of my favorite acoustic guitar tones are from Emerson, Lake and Palmer's "Still... You Turn Me On" and Simon & Garfunkel's Scarborough Fair/Canticle.

     
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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 21:05:19 (permalink)
    I believe anything outside of a bad note made while playing adds that likeable human touch to it for me keeping it real.     Like the thumps, bumps, finger noises, fret buzzes from emotional playing, etc...  'sall good in my book 


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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 21:07:15 (permalink)
    I think Jeff Lynne records "perfect" acoustic guitars.

    Well.... perfect for me (pls don't tear off my limbs Wookiee)
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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 21:41:39 (permalink)
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    I think Jeff Lynne records "perfect" acoustic guitars.

    Well.... perfect for me (pls don't tear off my limbs Wookiee)


    I that a subjective request?

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 22:00:35 (permalink)
    Here is one I sure like...

    Yeah, a bad note is not good Mike and I also don't care much
    for out of tune or one that is obviously out of adjustment. That's buzzin
    that I would comment about.
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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/19 22:05:17 (permalink)
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    Here is one I sure like...

    Yeah, a bad note is not good Mike and I also don't care much
    for out of tune or one that is obviously out of adjustment. That's buzzin
    that I would comment about.


      Yes Sir!!!  Agreed 


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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 01:58:44 (permalink)
    The Beatles did some really nice acoustic recordings.

    I'm kinda partial to this acoustic recording ... train whistle in the background and all. 
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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 04:12:47 (permalink)
    Interesting thread. 
     
    The first couple of Cat Stevens albums, with Alun Davies, had some very nice acoustic recordings and performances.  I've tried to capture that sound for years and never have achieved it.
     
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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 05:07:09 (permalink)
    I dare to say the best acoustic guitar recordings by far are in the classic department, Andre Segovia and whatever. Those recordings are also usually not edited for beautifying or to make them sound more impressive, they aim to be as natural as possible. If the player makes too much fret noises he's not good enough to be let inside the studio.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 05:08:41 (permalink)
    Well my friend and SMB partner Larry gets some wonderful acoustic tones from his Taylor,


    +1

    Larry's tone to my mind is second to none.

    It's so 'real' to me that on more than one occasion I've had to do a double take and turn to check that somebody wasn't actually in the room playing.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 07:30:39 (permalink)



    J.B. Lenior: Vietnam Blues, recorded by Willie Dixon is hands down the mosted bestus everist recording of a guy playing acoustic guitar that I have ever heard.





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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:12:48 (permalink)
    I also like that one guy on that one record where he played guitar.

    I'm pretty sure it was an acoustic.

    I'll have to check.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:24:17 (permalink)
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    J.B. Lenior: Vietnam Blues, recorded by Willie Dixon is hands down the mosted bestus everist recording of a guy playing acoustic guitar that I have ever heard.
    That is a marvelous work that...



    I think some of the early recordings of Elmore James acoustic slide work is good as well...

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:24:20 (permalink)
    only the memorable can be forgotten


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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:26:28 (permalink)
    I also don't mind acoustic guitar recording where you can hear little squeaks, noises, etc. To a certain extent anyway - it can of course be a distraction if there's too much of it. But to me it's the equivanlent of hearing a singer take a breath before delivering a line - it's not just noise, it makes it "real". There are definitely recordings of acoustic guitar that don't have any of these sounds (not noticably anyway) that are still very good, but when they are there it makes me feel more like I'm listening to an authentic performance.
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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:30:06 (permalink)
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    only the memorable can be forgotten

    I had all but forgotten that line.


    Thanks for reminding me.
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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:39:08 (permalink)
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    Here is one I sure like...

    Yeah, a bad note is not good Mike and I also don't care much
    for out of tune or one that is obviously out of adjustment. That's buzzin
    that I would comment about.

    that was an AMAZING performance!  thanks for sharing that Mike.
     
    but technically that wasn't an "acoustic," right? - or am I being overly pedantic?  do guitarists not normally distinguish "acoustic" to be steel string? 
     
    I guess the shape of that one is not a traditional "classical" so it would be more appropriately termed "nylon string" since it's also not "Spanish" or "flameco"
     
    again - I'm not a real guitarist, so maybe I'm being overly picky.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:58:49 (permalink)
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    again - I'm not a real bapu, so maybe I Am being overly posty.

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    Re:Acoustic guitar questions... 2011/06/20 09:59:17 (permalink)
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    Here is one I sure like...

    Yeah, a bad note is not good Mike and I also don't care much
    for out of tune or one that is obviously out of adjustment. That's buzzin
    that I would comment about.

    that was an AMAZING performance!  thanks for sharing that Mike.
     
    but technically that wasn't an "acoustic," right? - or am I being overly pedantic?  do guitarists not normally distinguish "acoustic" to be steel string? 
     
    I guess the shape of that one is not a traditional "classical" so it would be more appropriately termed "nylon string" since it's also not "Spanish" or "flameco"
     
    again - I'm not a real guitarist, so maybe I'm being overly picky.
    You're not being overly anything Reece. You have a very good question and there may be many that
    would answer differently or better but I'll give mine-
    "Acoustic" guitar tells me that it is a hollow body. There are classifications that fall under "acoustic" such as
    nylon, electric acoustic (which is what he is playing in the video) etc...
    Now there are even electric guitars that simulate the acoustic guitar sound. So I would think that in technical
    terms "acoustic" refers to guitars that have a chambered body sound.
    I'm no expert about it but my thinking is such that when one mentions, as you have, "flameco"- Acoustic guitar
    comes to mind no differently than "nylon" or "Spanish". Those terms to me relate more to the type of strings on the guitar. (nylon or gut)
    Even though an electric guitar may have a hollow body as an acoustic it is referred to as a "hollow body". If it
    is not completely hollow such as a neck-thru it can be referred to as a "chambered" or "semi-hollow" bodied guitar.
    "Acoustic" to some may be simply- designed to be heard without amplification. Adding a pickup would not change that.
     
    And Reece I may need to be corrected about any or all that I've said.
    I would label his guitar an electric acoustic, thinline designed especially for live-stage use. (feedback and playability issues).
      
      edited a line for clarity, maybe?
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