Acoustic room treatment - part 2!

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2010/05/02 08:20:54 (permalink)

Acoustic room treatment - part 2!

Hi all,
 
Well I've made my traps! Apologies for the dodgy cameraphone pics!
 
I made the frames from light pine -
 

 
Then filled them with 60mm of high density insulation. I finished the backs off by stapling cotton to them and then finished the front by glueing acoustic foam tiles on.
 
The finished articles -
 

 
I have a mirrored set up on the other side of the room.
 
I've only finished 4 but I intend to make a couple more to treat the other corners. I can hear the difference immediately - the bass sounds the same no matter what part of the room you stand in. They really do make quite a difference.
 
Thanks for looking and thanks to everyone here who helped me on my way 
 
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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/02 08:40:22 (permalink)
    "They really do make quite a difference."

    :-)


    Get your corner traps up... you are working out of order. The wall traps will make the easiest to notice difference... but the corner traps will make the difference that helps you the most... because it will suck up the badness that is hard to notice... but still exists and needs to be considered.

    all the best... and I hope you have a fun!!!

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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/02 12:32:34 (permalink)
    Those frames would be way way way better served it you stuffed corning's 703 or 705 in them and then wrapped them in burlap (in a color of your choice). Using 703 or 705 is 10 times better than using studio foam. Your obviously taking the time to build nice frames. Why not do it right by using the right stuff for inside the frames.

    Just an idea

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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/02 12:40:43 (permalink)
    I believe he's saying the centers are filled with insulation (don't know what kind) and the foam is just added on top to finish the look.
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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/02 13:11:58 (permalink)
    They look great, Jamie!

    Just beware that with all that foam, your reverberation times are going to shorten. You might want to use Bob Damiano's RT60 measurement tool or the Home Theater Shack's Room EQ Wizard to check those times after treatment.

    The consequence of low RT60's (less than half a second) is that you may find that you're suddenly more heavy-handed with reverb. You won't notice it in your studio because you'll be subconsciously compensating for the deadness of the room. But play it in the car and you'll wonder what you were thinking with all that reverb!

    At least that was my initial experience.


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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/02 19:27:12 (permalink)
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       Using 703 or 705 is 10 times better than using studio foam.
    Given the same relative thickness do you have data to prove this?

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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/03 02:51:00 (permalink)
    Hi Folks,

    Yes, the frames are filled with high density insulation (around 45kgm3) from Wickes here in the UK. There's a depth of 60mm in each.

    The foam tiles are there to complete the look and also hopefully tame some mids and highs.

    @ Bit - thanks for the tips and the links, I try not to be too heavy with the reverb but its always worth thinking about

    @ Mike - yes, I definitely need to make a start on the other corners in the room, unfortunately the room behind my mixing position is in an L shape and has a door so I'll have to get creative with the size and position of my next traps.
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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/03 12:14:49 (permalink)

    Given the same relative thickness do you have data to prove this?

    Yes, absorption data is easy to find online. Rigid fiberglass (mineral wool, rockwool) is indeed more effective for low frequency absorption than Auralex-style foam. "10 times" better is a bit of an exaggeration (but not by much if you're talking about the stick-on egg-crate type foam products).

    There are standard measurements for absorption that make it easy to compare different materials' efficiency at absorbing different frequencies. For bass traps, the absorption coefficient at 125Hz is most relevant (manufacturers generally do not test below 125Hz). Two inches of 703FRK has a coefficient of 0.63, meaning it absorbs 63% of the sound energy that hits it. 4" Auralex Studiofoam Pyramids have a coefficent of 0.27 at 125Hz, or one-third the absorption despite twice the thickness.
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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/04 02:36:34 (permalink)
    bitflipper

    Two inches of 703FRK has a coefficient of 0.63, meaning it absorbs 63% of the sound energy that hits it.


    Depending on the test used, I think this is actually incorrect. I will have to check through my notes (I did a uni subject on this last year) but I believe it's unfortunately not as simple as that. It is true that 1 does mean 100%, but I don't think it's actually linear, so the numbers don't necessarily represent the actual percentage absorbed. OR, I'm thinking of the impedance tube method where these values do not represent the actual percentage absorbed. But I believe the impedance tube method does actually give the actual percentages as it works very well for low frequencies. You CANNOT compare impedance tube results with that from a reverberation room, due to the coefficients actually being different things. They are different coefficients. Of course it is true that higher values mean more absorption though. I think the accuracy of reverberation room tests were really only to something like a tenth, not one hundredth that is always stated. So 0.56 vs 0.64 is likely to be pretty much the same. I'll have to double check that one too.

    The fact that you can get 1.15 coefficients in high frequencies tells you something about all this. 1.15 is theoretically impossible, so clearly the results aren't really that accurate.

    But now I'm just getting much more technical then this needs to be Still got to double check all this with my notes though!



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    Re:Acoustic room treatment - part 2! 2010/05/04 13:51:38 (permalink)
    Coefficients over 1.0 are possible because the number is derived from the front-facing surface area and does not include the sides of the material.


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