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2018/07/23 17:26:53 (permalink)

Adagio In G Minor

A baroque  piece written by Tomaso Albinoni. 
i obtained the midi to this and imported into CbB. All mixing was done in CbB. Mixed using Kirk Hunter strings and Kontakt library. Reverb is Valhala Shimmer on concert hall setting on a bus.
Mastered in Studio One Professional using Ozone 7 and various other plugins. Mixed to 24/48 wav. Soundcloud converts to 128 mp3. Mastered to K20 standard.
 
My main beef is the violin which I don't think sounds realistic enough. I don't have a better solo instrument library right now and I can't record mine.
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/23 17:59:39 (permalink)
This is really well done!  I was talking with a friend about who (composers) can make one feel joy through their works?  For me the only one I could come up with is Mozart.  Everyone else is so much sturm und drang, or dramatic, or cerebral, or coloristic  etc .  Beethoven is just too much to just listen  and feel happy (except for maybe #7)  Who would you suggest I listen to?

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/23 19:10:29 (permalink)
eph221 I appreciate your comments. I am still learning the composers myself and this was a way to learn about their song constructions. I don't feel qualified to even make good suggestions yet. 
Some composers have one or two works that really stick out and the rest might not be so great. This is an educational process for me 

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/23 20:00:16 (permalink)
Starise,
 
Nice work on this piece.   Very enjoyable listen....
 
 The only suggestion I would offer is to add some varying degrees of reverb to your verb bus so some of the backing parts sit a little further into the background, i.e. some of the basses, the string, horns, etc...  
 
I think your violin is not bad at all, sounds pretty convincing for a sample and the reverb level on it is good.  Fantastic post.
 
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/23 21:15:21 (permalink)
Starise, that was a great listen.  Nicely mixed, and produced.  Thank you.
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/24 18:40:47 (permalink)
Hi Tim,
Cool to hear you.
Well it is courageous to confront a piece like this with midi instruments...
There is a french saying which is:" la culture c'est ce qui reste quand on a tout oublié..." Which I could translate more or less like : " culture is what remains once you have forgotten all you know..." And I must admit
this tune is a part of my culture ,I must have heard it before I was born..
I must admit I didn't go yet to the end of the tune( but be sure I will) for two reasons ,sorry,sorry....
The first one is ( for me) you mastered it a little bit loud ( just have to lower the volume you could say..) and the second one is that in your " driving of voices" ( proper Word is " conduites des voies") the main theme ( played by strings I think) is more suggested than really put upfront....
Now that I listened to the end,I must admit you did a good job.
Thanks for sharing and to put this music back in my ears.
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/24 19:42:03 (permalink)
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who (composers) can make one feel joy through their works?  



JS Bach? 
 

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/24 21:43:19 (permalink)
Yes Bach is good.  Some are more sublime than joyous, but you're correct.  Goldberg variations really take you for a trip.

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/24 22:01:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SupaReels Music 2018/10/11 17:14:03
Chostakovitch....
I am in no way aknowlledged in music,but this guy was wounded during the war (1914-1918) and he had shrapnell pieces in his head which altered his brain and he was hearing music ( due to the pieces of metal he had in the brain) and he was able to translate them in terms of symphonic writing ....There was a kind of campaign last year or the year before ,here in France,on the radio ,and I remember of somewhat a quite joyfull writing....
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/24 23:54:17 (permalink)
This is a beautiful piece of music and you've managed to capture it so nicely.
 
It's very difficult to work with these sample libraries and get them to sound realistic.  I guess it's a combination of library+knowledge of MIDI programming.    I can't put up a song of mine for review that has just a bit of background string ensemble in it without somebody commenting how "fake" my strings and horns are, which gets annoying because I can't do anything about it.  I try, believe me.  But yes, you have conquered that beast and I congratulate you.
 
Back to the music-The first time I was exposed to this piece was back in the 70s.  I heard an adaptation of it by a band called Renaissance and they put lyrics to it and called it "Cold Is Being".  Then, along the way I heard various orchestras performing it.
Beautiful indeed, and, as I said, you perform it well.
 
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/25 11:04:25 (permalink)
Thank you for your comments and for listening.
 I was trying my hand at templates in various programs. I didn't go about this the typical way which is using a Kontakt multi already made in a template.
Olivier I appreciate your comments on the mix . I will pay special attention to the details you mentioned. I had no idea this piece was such an integral part of French classical music. I particularly like the slower tempo and pizzicato strings support. A very endearing piece of music and one to be very proud of from a cultural perspective. Interesting trivia to know about Chostakovitch. I had no idea. Nice to meet you here!
markno999- Thanks for the suggestion!
John B. Thank you!
 
Thanks to everyone who listened and commented.
 
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This is really well done!  I was talking with a friend about who (composers) can make one feel joy through their works?  For me the only one I could come up with is Mozart.  Everyone else is so much sturm und drang, or dramatic, or cerebral, or coloristic  etc .  Beethoven is just too much to just listen  and feel happy (except for maybe #7)  Who would you suggest I listen to?


I recently bought a few classical music CD's and one was Handel. I listened to him on the way to work today. Everyone is probably familiar with his " Messiah" usually played around Christmas time. I have always liked that one, mainly for the great inclusion of the choir. A very majestic piece. 
From the CD I listened to a lot of his concertos make great "busy music" stuff I like to hear while driving or working. Little horn trills and stabs, also very majestic. Not what I would call the kind of thing I would focus on entirely............some of his other works that are more centered on string sectionals are excellent and very reflective and I can feel emotion from those. He did a lot of varied work.
Interestingly Tomaso primarily wrote operas in the late 1600's early 1700's and this is what he was primarily known for then. This music wasn't seen as his best work and was "on the back burner" at that time. Interesting how it is now one of the best known works.

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/25 12:36:27 (permalink)
Hi Tim
How are you mate?
Nice interpretation sir
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/25 17:23:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2018/07/27 18:30:10
This is one of my favorite pieces, and I used to play it on piano with a little jazz in restaurants to decent effect. It's just a beautiful, well thought-out piece. The counterpoint is perfect and worthy of Bach or Mozart. I wonder if Mozart knew of this piece?
 
Anyway, your rendition is really quite good. I bet this took some work! A lot of work, actually! Here's a few thoughts . . . most of which you are probably already aware . . . occasionally the cello arpeggio drops out, as in :17.
 
If you listen to the volume balance between organ and strings around 1:00 - 1:10, I think it's perfect! 
 
For my money, the melody line of the top violins could be louder, check 2:09 and after.
 
If you look at 4:54, would the pizzicato string plucks would be that much louder that the organ? You might consider bringing the organ up and the pizz down a tad.
 
 
OK, one of the cool things is that you can balance any of these exactly as you wish, and as you present it, it's a really great rendition. I think all of your instruments present organically, nothing really screams out as "fake news"  !!!
 
Nice work! Now I'm off to watch "Gallipoli" which is a fine movie that features this piece.
 
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/26 15:18:39 (permalink)
I've always liked this composition - your rendition sounded very good - nice job.  It sounded like it was a lot of work.
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/27 18:34:46 (permalink)
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Hi Tim
How are you mate?
Nice interpretation sir


I'm great Daryl how about you? You winning any good games lately?
Thanks!
emeraldsoul- I can tell both from your website and the comments that you are a keen listener. I appreciate the comments made here. Being a violinist at intermediate level I hate the violin in this because I know how expressive one can sound in it. This is why I turned the volume on it down some lol. The other tips- Thanks!  
One day I'll get a decent ribbon mic and pre amp so I can attempt something like this on violin for real. Oh and play better too.

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/29 07:13:28 (permalink)
Hi, Tim,
 
This is really fantastic!  Beautiful job on this full, rich sounding Classical piece!
 
The orchestration and production are excellent and immediately brought back fond childhood memories of my parents taking me on trips to Lincoln Center in New York for Philharmonic concerts when I was growing up.
 
Great work, Tim have a good one!
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/29 12:48:40 (permalink)
This sounds very nice here Tim,

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/07/29 21:46:29 (permalink)
Just the music I needed for a Sunday relaxing on the futon. Great attention to detail. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/08/01 15:36:39 (permalink)
Many thanks all. Sorry I missed dougk1824 in my responses.
Wookie- Thanks for listening.
Thanks Bob. Hope you're getting along well. Good to hear from you and thanks for listening.
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/08/05 22:11:54 (permalink)
Really enjoyed your work here Tim. Sounds rather large! Tom has some great insight. I feel the verb is cut short at the end, but each to their own. Really cool sounds.

 
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/08/05 23:17:23 (permalink)
I'd add D. Scarlatti re joy.

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/08/05 23:43:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2018/10/02 18:20:46
Wow, I shouldn't have waited so long to check this one out, fantastic man.  I think I really dig baroque as I haven't heard anything I really don't like.  I wish I had a bigger sound system to crank this up.  Cliche comment I guess, but yes atmospheric is definitely the right word.  And MIDI? Damn, I've never heard it so good.  

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/08/06 04:29:44 (permalink)
Nice work. The mix sounds nice and clear to me. I can hear the different instruments and it sounds nice and wide. 
 
I really like the organ and the overall dramatic feel. 

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/08/10 18:12:32 (permalink)
Very professional. This is really nice.

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/08/12 21:19:17 (permalink)
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I understand how difficult it is to get the dynamics right with MIDI and you did a wonderful job.
I thought the violin sounded pretty darn good.



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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/09/25 17:51:23 (permalink)
SOo much talent and a wonderful rendition ... thankyou for the post as I've never heard this all the way through.
 
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/09/29 06:10:29 (permalink)
I have thought for a long time that this composition was a rock instrumental number waiting to be performed.  What you have here is a little different than I imagined- more of a synth homage.
 
Its quite good, nonetheless. I like the orchestration- the string sounds & texture are quite good.  
 
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/10/02 00:07:24 (permalink)
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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/10/02 18:20:50 (permalink)
Thanks to all of you for taking the time to comment and listen. I apologize for not getting around to the songs section
for awhile. I should get here more often and listen to the amazing talent on display!

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Re: Adagio In G Minor 2018/10/10 19:28:44 (permalink)
Wow...  that sounds like a project and a half, Tim.  Props for the level of detail you applied from start to finish. 

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