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"Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked>copied F&I
Assuming I have understood what "Add Track Flyout" does, I appeal to the bakers to catch these issues before release. 1. If I have a 100-track project, and track 3 is highlighted, and I use "Add Track Flyout" to add a track, I would want the track to be added UNDER the currently selected track, not way down at the bottom as track number 101. 2. If I have highlighted the last track in a folder and I use "Add Track Flyout", I would want the track to be added UNDER the currently selected track INSIDE the folder, not outside the folder (or, if there is another folder underneath, not as the first track of the next folder). Issue 1 reflects the problem we have today with Insert Track. Issue 2 reflects the issue we had with Clone Track, until the little code segment was added which, after the cloned track hs been incorrectly placed, then goes and fishes the cloned track out of the wrong position and back into the folder. In other words, the initial misplacement is still there.
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/13 23:08:50
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jpetersen
Assuming I have understood what "Add Track Flyout" does, I appeal to the bakers to catch these issues before release.
1. If I have a 100-track project, and track 3 is highlighted, and I use "Add Track Flyout" to add a track, I would want the track to be added UNDER the currently selected track, not way down at the bottom as track number 101.
2. If I have highlighted the last track in a folder and I use "Add Track Flyout", I would want the track to be added UNDER the currently selected track INSIDE the folder, not outside the folder (or, if there is another folder underneath, not as the first track of the next
I have just tested this in Lexington and the add tracks already works this way (though it inserts the new track above rather than below the selected track). It also inserts the track intra folder if the selected track is contained within a folder. Check your screensets - having old locked screensets in projects saved in previous versions of Sonar can sometimes mess with this. It is always good form to post a question rather than declare a problem to ensure the issue is cakewalks and not your own.
post edited by tenfoot - 2016/01/13 23:35:31
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 07:01:49
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I'd edited down my original posting for brevity. It lost clarity. Here's the preamble to #1. If one inserts a track, 99% of the time one would want it UNDER the selected track. 1% of the time one would want it ABOVE the selected track. 0% of the time one would want it down at the bottom. (well, let's say very rarely) Edit: A. If I insert with the Insert key, I get the 0% option. B. If I insert with right-click/Insert Audio Track, I get the 1% option. I just noticed this different behavior now because I usually use method A. Why are they different? Most likely there's near-identical code in the two events handling the menu and the hotkey, instead of having one single method being called from both. Anyway, my appeal to the Bakers is to have a look since they plan to work on this area of the code anyway.
post edited by jpetersen - 2016/01/14 07:46:28
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 09:25:48
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I would suggest you pose this in the Features forum, where folks rate/vote on it, and is where the Cakewalk indicates they like to see such requests.
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 11:16:39
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/01/14 14:11:16
Good call on raising the issue, well described. Even I understood what you were after.
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 11:21:45
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That does make more sense - but I am not sure whether this is really a 'problem' or an intended behaviour that you personally don't happen to like. Bob's suggestion of a feature request is probably your best recourse.
post edited by tenfoot - 2016/01/14 11:35:26
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 13:57:55
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jpetersen
I'd edited down my original posting for brevity. It lost clarity. Here's the preamble to #1.
If one inserts a track,
99% of the time one would want it UNDER the selected track.
1% of the time one would want it ABOVE the selected track.
0% of the time one would want it down at the bottom. (well, let's say very rarely)
Edit:
A. If I insert with the Insert key, I get the 0% option.
B. If I insert with right-click/Insert Audio Track, I get the 1% option.
I just noticed this different behavior now because I usually use method A.
Why are they different? Most likely there's near-identical code in the two events
handling the menu and the hotkey, instead of having one single method being called from both.
Anyway, my appeal to the Bakers is to have a look since they plan to work on this area of the code anyway.
In my opinion, inserting ABOVE is better because it's easier when you want to insert a track #1. How do you do it when you want it in the first position if it inserted under the selected track?
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 14:00:13
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I can answer myself: you'd had to insert under track #1, then, move it to the first position - 2 actions! Above, it's only 1.
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 14:28:43
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In the Flyout, add the option "Above" or "Below", I think the Clone Track function already has this. And perhaps Shift/Alt/Ctr+Insert for the hotkey variant (not sure which combination is free, am not at my DAW). But stacking tracks backwards just to satisfy this corner case means more mouse clicks for the everyday case.
post edited by jpetersen - 2016/01/14 15:03:35
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 14:58:00
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A week ago I wouldn't have had any idea what an "add track flyout" was. I saw a tutorial for Omnisphere 2 and it was in Logic, and I re-winded it just to see what had happened, because I knew I couldn't do that in Sonar nearly that quickly. Two clicks and a midi track added and routed looked pretty sweet to me.
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 15:20:36
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jpetersen
In the Flyout, add the option "Above" or "Below", I think the Clone Track function already has this.
And perhaps Shift/Alt/Ctr+Insert for the hotkey variant (not sure which combination is free, am not at my DAW).
Not quite, what it does have is the ability to specify the Starting Track for subsequent clone(s) which obviously can be above or below the source track
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 15:29:38
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jpetersen
I'd edited down my original posting for brevity. It lost clarity. Here's the preamble to #1.
If one inserts a track,
99% of the time one would want it UNDER the selected track.
1% of the time one would want it ABOVE the selected track.
0% of the time one would want it down at the bottom. (well, let's say very rarely)
Edit:
A. If I insert with the Insert key, I get the 0% option.
B. If I insert with right-click/Insert Audio Track, I get the 1% option.
I just noticed this different behavior now because I usually use method A.
Why are they different? Most likely there's near-identical code in the two events
handling the menu and the hotkey, instead of having one single method being called from both.
Anyway, my appeal to the Bakers is to have a look since they plan to work on this area of the code anyway.
In my opinion, inserting ABOVE is better because it's easier when you want to insert a track #1. How do you do it when you want it in the first position if it inserted under the selected track?
I have to agree. I can think of scenarios when the inserted track should be above, below, or even at the bottom. I think jpetersen's percentages need to be modified!! Interesting concept though, can't wait to try it out
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 15:30:52
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Not to be an annoying stickler here, but at least to my way of thinking, if a track is selected, inserting a track should put the new track above what was selected. If you're working in a spreadsheet and want to insert a row in the middle of a bunch of rows, you'd select the point (row) where you want the new one to go. Then the selected row and everything below gets bumped down a notch when the new one is inserted. Seems to me the same sort of behavior should be expected within a list of tracks as well.
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 15:41:22
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It's nice that currently we can choose exactly where it will appear, at least when cloning.
This behaviour should really be 'ported over to Inserts
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/14 16:44:20
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From my perspective, working on a desk or in a DAW is an additive experience that follows a top-to-bottom and left-to-right methodology. Most would agree that working in a downward fashion matches the same feeling as working from left to right. This is why tracks in SONAR (and every other DAW) are reflected like this when switching from the Track View to the Console View.
If you apply that logic to creating a new track with a track selected, inserting it underneath or to the right makes the most sense. This is also an additive experience. To invert that process feels like you're working backwards or in reverse.
Imagine typing a sentence and ".typed just you word the of left the to inserted was word every"
Doesn't make any sense now, does it?
What I'm trying to say is , I agree with your suggestion.
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/15 02:22:41
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/01/15 10:30:01
HI:)
To have it under the selected Track, just select the next track:)
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/15 02:38:29
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Not to be an annoying stickler here, but at least to my way of thinking, if a track is selected, inserting a track should put the new track above what was selected. If you're working in a spreadsheet and want to insert a row in the middle of a bunch of rows, you'd select the point (row) where you want the new one to go. Then the selected row and everything below gets bumped down a notch when the new one is inserted. Seems to me the same sort of behavior should be expected within a list of tracks as well.
I'd say the Excel analogy is pretty damn close and consistent with other behaviour, so that should be the default. That said, and this might be me, but I'd want some weirdness where insertion should be below the last track in a folder but above everywhere else, just because of my workflow...that's pretty idiosyncratic though :-) The obvious(?) solution is to have an option like we do for clip selection on split (left, right etc) for above/below as the default, with (say) shift held reversing this (compare space bar with shift+space bar, so there is a precedent for this behaviour in SONAR already).
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/15 10:17:20
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Basseman
HI:)
To have it under the selected Track, just select the next track:)
Bassman
Indeed! I think it is a good sign for Sonar when these are the big 'probems' being discussed:)
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Re: "Add Track Flyout" - Bakers, please catch these problems before they get baked in
2016/01/15 10:20:49
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Basseman
HI:)
To have it under the selected Track, just select the next track:)
Bassman
I love it! So simple...how to put the inserted track anywhere you want.
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