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Addicted to buying plugins/add ons

How do I cure it? I'll be bankrupt before long....

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 18:04:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/07/16 18:35:52
Eggster
How do I cure it?



Just do what Bapu did ... buy all of them. 
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 18:17:36 (permalink)
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 18:52:38 (permalink)
try to justify the purchase whether it be $1 or $1000.
 
you will find you double up on things also, that should help cut a few things out.
 
wait for sales. I HATE how some vendors play marketing poker with us...
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 19:57:20 (permalink)
Block the deals forum somehow!
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 19:57:20 (permalink)
Double posted.
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 20:22:21 (permalink)
Slick marketing+addictive tendencies= serious financial investment, but almost nothing compared to 20+ years ago.
 
As an owner of around a thousand plugs and a user of only about 20-30 I recommend you follow these steps:
 
1. Can you resell the plug you're considering?  If so, give urself some slack in considering it.  If not, try to resist.  I have way too much wonderful stuff I don't use but cannot resell... 
 
2. Some vendors like Orange Tree & the Plug in Guru Have great intro pricing and/or ridiculous sales... check first and wait if what you're thinking about falls into this category.  For example, Greg at OT just had an unbelievable group buy sale on all his guitars and other awesome stuff... 50% off and more, with orange peals.... 
 
3 Find a buddy to bounce ur thoughts against... I have one.  We co each other, like a couple drunks trying to stay sober... Also ask the forum at times... I put in the due date in google calendar and research till then... most things are redundant.  I REGRET most of my impulse buys... many thousands of dollars worth...MANY!!!
 
4 Buy used if possible... reuse is good.  Ask Larry... he passes on good stuff all the time!
 
5. If there is NO DEMO, I say forget it these days unless it is TRULY special like the Bohemian Violin/Cello, which is a landmark and turned all of the amazing folks over at VI Control upside down in a jizz freak out (I participated, wildly!)... In such cases, EXTRA due diligence is REQUIRED...
 
6. Get one or two amazing quality plugs instead of a sheistload of cheaper ones...within a category.
 
7. Many of us started where you are... we are here to help.
 
8. Sonar has most of what you need in the Pro Channel... great sales, killer quality.  
 
9...lots but I'm done for now!
 
 
 
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 21:27:57 (permalink)
Another option...
 
Let yourself get old like me. Benefit is your memory goes and you forget what you already bought.
 
I think it's safe to say that many of us scarf up the latest to die for plugin. Use the crap out of it for less than a week and then it naturally recedes into the digital hoard pile.
 
I resist buying anything new and when the temptation gets too strong, I look into my carefully cataloged arsenal of effects and synths. Always find something I have no clue about how it got there. It's the same as getting something new.
 
Figure the more amnesia sets in over time, I can probably recycle the same plugin several times. Only risk associated with this is that I found myself trying to buy a spendy echo unit and got the message back that I'd already purchased it a year earlier.
 
Proud to proclaim that I haven't purchased a damnable thing since the GTR-3 sale wrenched the security chip out of my credit card. How many of you mortals can claim a sober spree for that long. Am I cool or what?
 
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 22:08:55 (permalink)
Yo cool. Gonna let myself get old like you.

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 22:26:31 (permalink)
May Allah grace you with the health and all good things to do so. Like someone said, getting old ain't for wimps.
 
Not to worry though. All reading this will either get there or not, sooner than expected.
 
Sworn off new purchases out of principle, but the next time GTR-3 goes on sale...
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/16 23:45:06 (permalink)
Guess even Allah won't live to tell ;)

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 00:41:28 (permalink)
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It's a serious question isn't it. I find I get drawn to 'sales' like some do to poker machines. So for my music stuff, I have a huge whiteboard in my studio. It has a 'want' and a 'need' list. For me to buy anything now, it has to make it onto both lists. To make it onto the list, it has to pass a 'research' stage. It has stopped my impulse buying. The stuff I've bought, and money I've spent  All the best to you.
 

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 05:23:06 (permalink)
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Don't worry its only a psychological barrier, that feeling of insecurity, all that stress, you may even find it inspiring, create an new musical genre, the plugin blues!

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 06:12:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/07/17 07:18:19
Ha! Loads of great answers - Its what makes this forum great!!! I'm off to chain smoke a pack, have a whisky or two, play online poker while I consider my next purchase...

Thanks for the witty replies and the serious ones!

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 09:08:22 (permalink)
I spent a good amount of cash upgrading Sonar, picking up Pro Channel modules, and buying third party plugins and synths.  Many of the online mixing tutorials featured Waves, Ozone 5 was highly recommended when I got in to this, and in my quest to produce better mixes I often fell victim to the hype and to the sale.  That's not necessarily bad I guess, just more expensive, but I do have some buyer's remorse over some of the plugins/upgrades that I bought.
 
Live and learn, and I've learned a lot, including the fact that many of the bundled plugins in Sonar are just as good as those sold by other vendors, but also that it's fun to get a new toy and experiment.
 
Take the following article:  http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/prochannel-compressors
 
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 14:31:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/07/17 18:45:29
With regards to the correct amount of music funds spent, I will note that the universe is always expanding.

What's the right amount of GAS to fill your studio universe?

I think it has to do with filling a void - and getting the right balance.

If presently you have (or don't have funds) - but you have a huge void - meaning you have very little of the amazing stuff available - the balance seems to point toward acquisition and some catch up. Splurge a little! Until your significant other or conscience (or both) get spun up. Watch for the deals and grab the items that you can't stop thinking about. Go for it. Your studio will be so much more powerful after you get that next item.

Once you have some stuff - let's take compressors, how many do you need? Probably not that many. Once you have some stuff, so the void isn't a vacuum - then put real thought not as much into acquiring that new offering - but more into the ratio of time you're spending between searching for deals, justifying purchases to yourself, learning new tools (if you actually use these plugs after buying them, or even remember that you bought them) versus the time you spend productively creating music.

Once the ratio / balance tips toward spending less time on creating music and lyrics and more time towards learning new tools but not creating any music then it might be a good time to let the air out of your GAS balloon.

As an additional point (and as one who has not followed the wisdom above), the music universe is always expanding, new plugs and new versions of plugs keep coming out, and GAS is seriously hard to control.

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 17:26:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/07/17 18:44:46
I know how you feel, it can become an obsession if you aren't careful. 
 
I found myself in a situation a while back where I wasn't even playing music but collecting all the Freeware VST's. At first I thought of the VST's : "Wow! These are free I might use them later on so I need to get everything I can while it's free".  I ended up with 2 out of 100 or so Freeware VST's that I kept that I might use. 
 
Your Daw can be compared to your house in a way, I mean you keep things laying around thinking you might use them later and end up with a bunch of clutter keeping you from actually using what you need to in the end. 
 
While I know you are speaking of purchased VST's/VSTI's. Look at it like this would be my advice : "What's the point of buying anything new if you haven't spent time using what you have already got to begin with?". 
 
I recently upgraded to Sonar Pro and for me it pretty much has everything I need. I mostly record basic songs, bass/drums/guitar/every now and then a simple keyboard part. Although I do plan on upgrading the TH3 Overloud Full version guitar VST. 
 
When I was using Music Creator's various versions before upgrading I often found myself downloading freeware stuff and checking out the purchasing vst sites day dream. 
 
My advice would be like I said : "Take the time to use the ones you have first before considering buying anything else, chances are you already have what you need but you just aren't aware of it". 
 
A lot of times too much of a good thing is too much, it can clutter things and make you more confused than creative.
 
Just my opinion. I wish you luck! I know how you feel. 
 

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 19:12:48 (permalink)
I while back on this forum I said something about wanting a piano and some asked how many I had. After listing something like a dozen I decided I didn't need a new piano so badly. Maybe making a list of how many of the exact same type of plugin you already have will help you over the desire.
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 20:14:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Serious_Noize! 2016/07/17 22:04:09
Guyz , with time , i have found that creative people like we are , are more aware of the hell of consumirism world we re living in , but for a strange reason , tend to think audio bizness is out of it ....

My advice to friends , is treat the thought like if it was real physical goods ...you see in walmartt near the exit .... With a marketed "buy me , you need me ..." On it .....

One thing that let me have zero remorse after purchase .... Is even if i have an equivalent , is it faster , or / and more inspiring ....

Usually i m more stressed about fx , i have way less remorse about sound generator since new inspirations is a must for producers ....
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 21:52:15 (permalink)
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Guyz , with time , i have found that creative people like we are , are more aware of the hell of consumerism world we re living in , but for a strange reason , tend to think audio bizness is out of it ....

My advice to friends , is treat the thought like if it was real physical goods ...you see in Walmart near the exit .... With a marketed "buy me , you need me ..." On it .....

One thing that let me have zero remorse after purchase .... Is even if i have an equivalent , is it faster , or / and more inspiring ....

Usually i m more stressed about fx , i have way less remorse about sound generator since new inspirations is a must for producers ....



Thank you, I like your comment a lot because it makes sense. I was watching on you tube where Eddie Van Halen was being interviewed on this video, and some of the things he said just hit home to me where being creative goes and what you use to play, he talks about how a lot of his guitar style come out of necessity because he needed to fill holes in music because there were no other musicians to play when he started playing in his first band, NO EXTRA FX like now days to juice up things, just play guitar and learn how to fill things in musically rather than FX. Anyway, I hope I explained that the way I meant to. But I think most will get what I am saying here. It's not the FX that makes you, it's your own creativity and the song in my opinion. But I mentioned this because I thought it might be relevant to the use of FX in this thread, sorry, don't mean to change the subject.
 
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/17 21:58:22 (permalink)
Zo!  
 
As usual, you summed it all up most beautifully!  The ONLY effect I've bought this year is SoundToys, as the bundle offering of $180 for ALL their awesome stuff (due to me owning two freebees!) was irresistible and everyone I queried on the forum agrees that this is a MUST HAVE and $180 is a killer deal.  It's something I've always wanted, for EchoBoy alone... and the long 32 bit transition caused me to look elsewhere.
 
I own a zillion synths and Kontakt libraries and can quite honestly say I could be quite fine with Omnisphere (due to Skippy's awesome expansions) and Kontakt (with a smattering of sound libraries I love) alone.  The beauty of something like Omnisphere is it can do almost everything and is supported by some of the BEST sound designers in the buis...Thus, once you own it, you can just buy soundpacks and are supporting creative small developers/artists  like US!  
 
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/18 01:40:31 (permalink)
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I own a zillion synths and Kontakt libraries and can quite honestly say I could be quite fine with Omnisphere (due to Skippy's awesome expansions) and Kontakt (with a smattering of sound libraries I love) alone.  The beauty of something like Omnisphere is it can do almost everything and is supported by some of the BEST sound designers in the buis...Thus, once you own it, you can just buy soundpacks and are supporting creative small developers/artists  like US!  
 
Of course, whatever floats ur boat!  




Agree 100%, though I dont have a zillion synths, I have put off getting Komplete, because I dont actually need it, except for Kontakt for some specific sound libraries, and are wishing I was buying omnisphere 2 instead for reasons you outlined.
 
Even with the limited library I have, it would take years to fully explore and utilise all the tools and samples I already have!

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/18 11:12:28 (permalink)
The one thing really irritating me right now is that people who I am pretty dedicated to buying are now pumping out libraries and plugins faster and faster. I like to support these people but it's becoming harder when they keep putting out new product several times a month. I've cut back a bit on the spending as I start preparing for winter sales but I've been buying some things here and there such as the OTS sale which I simply couldn't pass up or I'd be kicking myself later. So glad I did.
 
It's going to get to a point where I have to spend time looking at each one very carefully before I decide to buy in regardless of who makes it because they keep pumping them out too quick.
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/18 11:13:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/07/18 11:36:23
Speaking of YouTube, I'm a fan of the Premier Guitar Rig Rundown series. Watch a few of these and you'll see a common thread among long-experienced guitarists: minimal gear. I especially enjoyed the Don Felder episode.
 
Now, you can say that these are about guitarists, not producers. That the scope of what guitarists do sonically isn't as vast and they don't need that many options. But take a look at how stompboxes, guitars and guitar amplifiers are marketed. The audio plugin market didn't invent this marketing strategy. They just adapted the same age-old "sell the sizzle" concept that equates beer brands to fun and sex, hair implants to wealth and corporate success, and pickup trucks to manhood. They hold out the promise of a better life, one that can be purchased.
 
Vastman's post above was right on the mark. Ask anyone who has hundreds or thousands of plugins, and they'll all tell you the same thing: 10% of them are useful, 1% of them are go-to tools, and 0.1% of them are essential. But 100% of them gave you a thrill when you first bought them.


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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/18 21:29:11 (permalink)
"Pickup trucks to manhood"?
Jeez, I'll never grow up.

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/18 23:39:21 (permalink)
And window shopping is nearly impossible so stay away from the Software and Deals forums

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/19 10:20:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/07/19 11:12:38
Solved the problem! My car died.... No plugin money for me for a while!

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/19 11:30:54 (permalink)
Ah, that was my solution - hardware (tho none of mine have died like your car). 
 
1.  Good hardware going in (or rerecorded with same) means I don't need so much software.  Saturation/distortion/tone?  It is better with hardware than replicated in software, in my opinion.  I seldom need more or different than what I recorded.  So digital can do what it does best - control levels and subtractive eq (yes, Virginia, I still use soft comps and digital EQ) - nice clean control.
 
2.  I still pick up software for things hardware is ill suited.  I just picked up a granular effects for like $50.
 
3.  Hardware is so expensive I run out of money quicker, which means I don't torture myself (too much!) over sales.  I simply can't afford it.
 
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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/19 12:04:42 (permalink)
Real life has a habit of getting in the way of fun, doesn't it?
 
OTOH, financial constraints can be a good thing. Look what happens to so many 20-year-old millionaire athletes, entertainers and trust-fund kids. They can afford all the cocaine they could possibly want, and that rarely ends well. One of the reasons I've made it to my ripe old age is that in my 20's I was a poor working musician struggling to make ends meet.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Addicted to buying plugins/add ons 2016/07/19 18:27:24 (permalink)
Reminds me many years ago living in Denver Colorado.
 
Had a music studio on the south side and often haunted the north side of the city where all the bars, whore houses and pawn shops were. Looking for music gems in the pawn shops, would often have to pass over dead bodies in the street. Was said that some of these were the 20 yo sports stars, if you could recognize them. Burned themselves out life in the fast lane. Squandered millions, end of their career and fame. Never planned for the future and ended up a nameless drug OD or suicide.
 
Back in the time, applied for a drivers job with the county morgue since there was an opening.
 
In south Denver, a common sight was the Happy Farms Ice Cream Truck and they needed a new driver. Had a freckled girl painted on the outside holding balloons and dancing through a grassy meadow with happy cows. Never stopped to sell ice cream though.
 
Sports stars and not sport stars were common casualties for various reasons on the north side. The state collected the unclaimed bodies and kept them in a freezer. When the freezer was full, they had to transport the bodies to the cremation site on the south side of Denver.
 
Only way to get from the north to the south side was through downtown Denver proper.
 
The state had a decoy truck, Happy Farms Ice Cream with the girl and balloons.
 
It would load up the frozen bodies and drive them through downtown to the cremation site.
Seems the former driver loaded up the ice cream truck with bodies and forgot to close the back door.
He drove through downtown Denver dumping frozen corpses into the street from the Happy Farms Ice Cream truck. Cover was blown and the guy fired.
 
I was all excited to drive the ice cream truck, but my driving record was so bad I didn’t get the job.
 
Back in the studio then, had a Ross compressor. Went into an MXR distortion box. Depending on the need, a Ross flanger or Ross delay was followed by a floor hardware MXR noise gate. That was it.
 
Cranked out music with hard on dedication and inspiration.
 
Have a thousand times the arsenal now with potential I could have never dreamed of in the analog era.
I’m not doing much creative these last years however other than playing along with somebody else’s mp3 for practice. Spending a whole lot of dedicated time crafting the right sound, even if nothing ultimately creative happens beyond a new preset or fx chain.
 
End result is in the mind and spirit of the inspiration and physical connection with our hands and feet..
 
If you got one decent reverb plug and can’t create, a second reverb, much less 10 or 20 reverbs will only lead to greater darkness.
 
John
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