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Addictive Drums 2 Question

Hallo i got a question about AD2.
A few days i have this plugin and am very happy with it. But what i do not realy understand is the meaning of the overhead and room mic section. I had never record a drumset. But i don't want only use these options i would like to understan why it is so importent to use them.
 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/01 17:26:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Tomas M. 2016/02/03 06:00:54
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Hallo i got a question about AD2.
A few days i have this plugin and am very happy with it. But what i do not realy understand is the meaning of the overhead and room mic section. I had never record a drumset. But i don't want only use these options i would like to understan why it is so importent to use them.
 
Greetings Tomas



Overhead Mics sit directly above the Drum Set, and Room Mics sit "out in the room" to capture the 
ambiance of the room.  Those mics will change the sound of the "dry" kit based on usage...


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/01 17:27:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Tomas M. 2016/02/03 06:01:01
Briefly, the overhead mics pick up the cymbals and the entire kit from a pair of mics above the kit.  The room mics are mics that are away from the entire kit to pick up room sound with the kit for ambience.  If you want a drier sound, use less of these mics; if you want a "wetter" sound, use more of these mics.  Note that cymbals do not have individual mics, so the overheads are important for picking them up.  Experiment until you get familiar with the different combinations.

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 04:05:44 (permalink)
Is it usual that when you use room mics to give the drums reverb over the sends?
Or is it a decision?
Like When i use a reverb then better don't use room mics and vice versa when i use room mics better don't use a reverb.
 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 05:53:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Tomas M. 2016/02/03 08:07:18
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Is it usual that when you use room mics to give the drums reverb over the sends?
Or is it a decision?
Like When i use a reverb then better don't use room mics and vice versa when i use room mics better don't use a reverb.
 
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That's pretty much a good synopsis, but it's based on the sound you're looking for...
blending to taste is the key...that's why mixing is so "subjective", as it's based on what
"you" hear and are looking for that sounds good to both you and the customer (and Producer,
if there happens to be one).


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 07:51:06 (permalink)
That means as long as it sounds good is it permissible or even desirable both signals in a specific ratio to mix together, right?
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 07:58:28 (permalink)
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That means as long as it sounds good is it permissible or even desirable both signals in a specific ratio to mix together, right?



Precisely...


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 08:57:42 (permalink)
Very cool.
Thanks alot. Your Information help me very well.
 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 10:04:02 (permalink)
Glad to help Tomas!


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 10:07:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/02/03 10:55:32
Good short course on the subject guys. I would only add make up a check list and go through it to check what you want. It's easy to get your drums sounding great and then realize there's no snare at all, or high hat. Not that it has ever happened to me. I knew a guy who did it once.

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 10:08:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/02/03 10:55:37
OK, OK I HAVE done it a few times. Stop badgering me!

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 10:08:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/02/03 10:55:42
Badgers? Badgers?

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 14:27:04 (permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
 
 
 
FWIW, it's rare that I don't use a reverb send with AD2.  Usually one send for the snare and one for the rest.   That's my subjective preference.     And badgers. 
 

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 14:31:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/02/03 15:37:44


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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 17:28:31 (permalink)
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And...we have a winner! Well done Mesh. We ain't got no stinking badgers!

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 17:29:42 (permalink)
Treasure Of The Sierra Madres, was it not?

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/03 17:32:47 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
 
 
 
FWIW, it's rare that I don't use a reverb send with AD2.  Usually one send for the snare and one for the rest.   That's my subjective preference.     And badgers. 
 


Watched the video. That's a minute and 13 seconds I'll never get back.

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/04 01:00:01 (permalink)
Daddy, take this badger off of me

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/04 01:25:19 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
 
 
 
FWIW, it's rare that I don't use a reverb send with AD2.  Usually one send for the snare and one for the rest.   That's my subjective preference.     And badgers. 
 


Watched the video. That's a minute and 13 seconds I'll never get back.


2 mins 26 seconds for me. Watched it twice
 

 
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/04 03:54:23 (permalink)
Hallo,
what are or is badges?

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/04 11:15:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Tomas M. 2016/02/04 14:25:22
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/04 14:22:52 (permalink)
Okay man.
Another Question about AD2 if still goes in this threat .
In the kitpeace section is a option to turn off or on Alternate Samples. is it right that these are alternative samples in one layer? I mean are they different samples in one velocity layer?

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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/05 12:28:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Tomas M. 2016/02/07 08:00:44
This is going to be a bit of a long post so sorry in advance hahahaha.

No, the documentation for it is a little weird, but alternate samples just changes the incoming midi velocity to any new number in a set round-robin range. This range is big enough that sometimes the new velocity output for the kitpiece will trigger a new sample layer, and might sound incorrect by being too loud or too soft compared to the intended velocity you had in mind. Turning it off leaves the midi velocity to stay the same as the input within the engine, which allows you to trigger the samples and velocity layers you want in a linear way.

There's only one sample per velocity number, and within each layer, every sample is similar but slightly different in volume and pitch (absolutely every sample is, I actually just went through cataloguing what the dB output and other differences were last night.) I got pretty tired of praying the playback of the notes would be correct on bounce/export, so I wanted to see what I would be missing with alternate samples turned off. Thankfully you don't lose anything unless you're kind of lazy and write/play midi at a fixed velocity, or copy and paste the same midi across the project without changing it slightly from the original. If you do, leaving alternate samples on is an easy way to get varying performances out of the same midi data, and might help you come up with a groove faster depending on how you write/record.

You can test this yourself by clicking the "?" on the GUI and opening the map window: with it on, whatever velocity coming in may or may not change on every other hit depending on the engine's round-robin. Using the same velocity will show you how big the round-robin range is, and give you an idea of what that velocity will sound like when in your project. With it off, the velocity will be the same as the input and trigger only the one sample, but that sample will be the exact same one that would be triggered under alternate samples if you got lucky and the velocity didn't change.

Velocity layers for kick drums at least, change after every 8/9/10 velocity amounts which leaves you with quite a bit of different layers to work with. For the kick drum I tested on, it seemed like somewhere in the lower middle, there was no big apparent sample layer switch. I've read somewhere once that other drums/cymbals have fewer or more velocity layers compared with each other (e.g. snare compared to hi-hat,) but I haven't checked to see if that's true or not, and whether or not any specific kitpiece is mapped differently.
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Re: Addictive Drums 2 Question 2016/02/07 06:23:59 (permalink)
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This is going to be a bit of a long post so sorry in advance hahahaha.



No problem man. many thanks for the detailed explanation. 
The information also from the other , have really helped me to understand the instrument . And learn always gives me a lot fun. 
and again. All the more answers I get the more impressive , I 'm from the instrument . For me that's really a big jump . My last stand is a sampler with s1000 cd .
 
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